Coronavirus

[victor meldrew]

employ a load of smackheads, they are pretty good injecting needles

[Ani]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Cheers. I think with it being a work provided jab it may have been overly cautious to avoid and issues and also the Germans are overly studious as we know. 

The permission slip informed us that the jab had not been approved by the MHRA !! 

[Not in Crawley]

37 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I guess they have done quite well then and haven’t had to let tens of thousands of folk go? 

First I’ve heard of them

I just wanted to know how balanced their opinion would be (health vs economy) when giving their opinion on what our priority should be...

 

He was also clear politicians should be leading policy and scientific research had to put them in the best position for this. They will be advising the government not to rush into opening things too.much up until the vaccine has reached a certain threshold otherwise it will be an issue and slow progress overall I would guess.

Anyway, next time you are around Euston, walkover the Rd and almost opposite is the Wellcome Collection, really fascinating way to spend a few hours, the mix of science, medicine and art makes it one of my favourite places in London. Also great cafe.

[Not in Crawley]

30 minutes ago, Spider said:

They’ve extended furlough until April.

Thats the most realistic indicator for me.

Yeah - think September for almost back hopefully is a more realistic aim. I don't think we'll be in tier 4 etc until then but nothing much will change until May/June I would have thought. But then, I'm not a scientist so my guess is as good as any other layman's and I could be totally wrong.

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

The permission slip informed us that the jab had not been approved by the MHRA !! 

😐

[Casino]

Foreign sourced flu jab, i guess

Seeing as we ran out

[Zico]

43 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I guess they have done quite well then and haven’t had to let tens of thousands of folk go? 

First I’ve heard of them

I just wanted to know how balanced their opinion would be (health vs economy) when giving their opinion on what our priority should be...

 

If you don't get it by now, if you try to rush it or crack on as normal before you've got on top of things, you're going backwards and dragging things out even longer 

It's happened to us every step of the way in terms of both lives and livelihoods 

The government have got it wrong in trying to find a balance that favours the economy 

But for all their faults they're not so callous as to have no regard for lives so others can crack on 

Try and rush things through and it'll just drag out longer 

[Ani]

10 minutes ago, Casino said:

Foreign sourced flu jab, i guess

Seeing as we ran out

Some American thing. 
 

Came with fries a large coke and cheese in a spray tin. 

Edited December 28, 2020 by Ani

[birch-chorley]

6 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

If you don't get it by now, if you try to rush it or crack on as normal before you've got on top of things, you're going backwards and dragging things out even longer 

It's happened to us every step of the way in terms of both lives and livelihoods 

The government have got it wrong in trying to find a balance that favours the economy 

But for all their faults they're not so callous as to have no regard for lives so others can crack on 

Try and rush things through and it'll just drag out longer 

I would say our biggest issue wasn't rushing, quite the opposite, we did things too late. We were one of the last countries to come out of lockdown 1, hardly rushing for me 

However, I get the point your trying to make. I would caveat it though and say that I think things change once a vaccine is in circulation 

Once you have a vaccine the end of the road should be the same, get 15m vaccinated and it’s job done. No reason why ‘rushing things through’ I.e moving down the tiers should delay the roll out of the vaccination programme 

We should be at a point very soon (when this next vaccine has been approved) that we know roughly when the vulnerable will be immune (by a couple of weeks either way) 

 

 

[Spider]

If Boris stands up at the weekend and says “Right, we have a vaccine, it’ll take 2 months to roll out and so we ask for just 4/5 more weeks from you. One last big push (watching telly) and then we can crack on”

I think everyone would be ok with it.

Well not everyone, but enough people that it wouldn’t matter

[MancWanderer]

52 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Anyway, next time you are around Euston, walkover the Rd and almost opposite is the Wellcome Collection, really fascinating way to spend a few hours, the mix of science, medicine and art makes it one of my favourite places in London. Also great cafe.

Agree. It’s a great place

[Zico]

30 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I would say our biggest issue wasn't rushing, quite the opposite, we did things too late. We were one of the last countries to come out of lockdown 1, hardly rushing for me 

 

That's probably because we were one of the last to go into lockdown 

But we came out with cases still in the hundreds, we hadn't stopped the spread, we'd just slowed it down 

And that lockdown wasn't really a lockdown, not compared with elsewhere 

The emphasis has always been a balancing act of lives and livelihoods in favour of the econoky

Hard to argue otherwise for me. 

And it's cost us on both fronts, excess deaths and GDP 

 

 

[Ani]

Also let’s remember this is the Oxford University vaccine that AZ are producing. 
 

If you want a real reason to be massively proud of this country watch the documentary about the development of the vaccine. 
 

From day 1 the intention was to develop a vaccine that was suitable in terms of logistics and cost to save lives all round the world not just the highest bidder. 
 

We should refer to it as the Oxford vaccine. 

[birch-chorley]

13 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

That's probably because we were one of the last to go into lockdown 

But we came out with cases still in the hundreds, we hadn't stopped the spread, we'd just slowed it down 

And that lockdown wasn't really a lockdown, not compared with elsewhere 

The emphasis has always been a balancing act of lives and livelihoods in favour of the econoky

Hard to argue otherwise for me. 

And it's cost us on both fronts, excess deaths and GDP 

 

 

The fact that our Economy has performed worse than all but Argentina suggests that we haven’t put the economy before health 

I guess we did in those first couple of weeks when herd immunity was the strategy, others went into lockdown earlier (Italy, Spain, France etc) but since then I think it’s been massively in favour of health 

 

 

[Escobarp]

Where are these figures showing we are the second worst performing economy in the world? Is that what’s being said here? Sorry if I’m misunderstanding. 

[birch-chorley]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Where are these figures showing we are the second worst performing economy in the world? Is that what’s being said here? Sorry if I’m misunderstanding. 

The OECD 4 weeks back...

The UK is set to suffer more economic pain from the coronavirus crisis than any other leading economy apart from Argentina, the OECD said on Tuesday, highlighting the spread of the virus and deep downturn across Britain.

https://www.ft.com/content/f2655b26-c493-463e-9df6-1210cebc28b9

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/01/government-covid-oecd-uk-growth-forecast
 

 

[Escobarp]

Thanks. So not just covid related then? And it was written before the trade deal was signed. Would be interesting to see their next predictions and commentary now the deal is agreed and terms known. 

[birch-chorley]

11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Thanks. So not just covid related then? And it was written before the trade deal was signed. Would be interesting to see their next predictions and commentary now the deal is agreed and terms known. 

Appreciate that’s a forecast for 2021 but still, 36th out of the top 37 countries, hardly indicates a policy of putting the economy first these last 9 months 

In terms of where we are now, we have the worst GDP performance out of the top 7 economies. Again, that doesn’t imply a policy of economy first for me 

We went late so had to lockdown longer, that did more damage to our economy vs the others who went in earlier and came out quicker. If it was all about the economy then we would have gone in later and come out earlier surely 

Weve managed to perform poorly for both economic and health data despite spending more money than anyone else (all relative to size), that’s due to poor management of the situation from our government (vs our competitive set) 

Another piece here that makes for a decent read...

https://www.ft.com/content/1f52fd2b-7daf-418e-be8b-acc38f819b8d
 

The UK has spent more money fighting coronavirus than almost all comparable countries but still languishes towards the bottom of league tables of economic performance in 2020 and deaths caused by the virus, according to Financial Times research.

Edited December 28, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Zico]

32 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

The fact that our Economy has performed worse than all but Argentina suggests that we haven’t put the economy before health 

I guess we did in those first couple of weeks when herd immunity was the strategy, others went into lockdown earlier (Italy, Spain, France etc) but since then I think it’s been massively in favour of health 

 

 

If it was in favour of health no one would've been able to do anything anywhere (not literally) other than the absolute essentials from march to June until the spread was quashed, people were free to do what was open without question from going to work, to celebrating VE day to having mass protests

If you wanted to stop the spread you have to have strict rules and compliance

We never did 

So how is that putting health first?

See Victoria (AU) for how it should've been done in the same time period 

My opinion is that the economy has suffered the most because there was never a real strategy to get on top of stopping the spread 

Stop the spread, everything else follows, fuck around and try to keep things going, we end up where we are 

There's a reason why we have a new strain that spreads faster whilst elsewhere 

 

 

 

[birch-chorley]

@ZicoKelly

I think the Australia followed a similar path to many of the Asian countries, stopping incoming flights early doors so the problem was only a small on to begin with (think the likes of Taiwan did this even better) 

Of course, with hindsight that would have been great

However, when Trump tried blocking flights from China he got dogs abuse for it, including from the WHO if I recall. Likewise when he stopped flights coming in from the EU in early March

Edited December 28, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

@ZicoKelly

I think the Australia followed a similar path to many of the Asian countries, stopping incoming flights early doors so the problem was only a small on to begin with (think the likes of Taiwan did this even better) 

Of course, with hindsight that would have been great 

However, when Trump tried blocking flights from China he got dogs abuse for it, including from the WHO if I recall 

This is the thing 

Hindsight 

We saw what was sweeping over from the east, and even Europe, and BJ still boasted about shaking hands with covid patients 

Bollocks to the idea health came first

[birch-chorley]

8 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

This is the thing 

Hindsight 

We saw what was sweeping over from the east, and even Europe, and BJ still boasted about shaking hands with covid patients 

Bollocks to the idea health came first

Spending hundreds of billions of pounds making millions of people unemployed? It doesn’t sound like the Economy came first to me 

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Zico]

4 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Spending hundreds of billions of pounds making millions of people unemployed? It doesn’t sound like the Economy came first to me 

 

Look at where some of that money has been spent 

It doesn't appear to have helped saved lives 

End of the day, neither of us are happy with the outcome of our approach

But look elsewhere and see what worked and what didn't

Stopping the spread has worked for those that meant it

 

[mickbrown]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

Reebok

Its a fucking logistical nightmare i tell ya

We manage to get millions of folk voting in one day.

Said it before, set up all polling stations as a vaccination station for a week. Most dead local and most folk can walk to one.

Sorted. Piece of piss.😃

 

 

[Adlington White]

7 hours ago, Escobarp said:

But we will be in tier 1 by feb 👍🏼

It’s actually draining how negative you are, actually seems like you are enjoying it...