Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

46 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Tell that to the 30 or so victims who contracted the virus from the single point at Hennigan’s.

Anymore examples micky ? 

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

I agree with mounts here. There is no evidence that pubs were increasing the transmission and we are a million miles from where we were back last summer/autumn time. 
 

a pub (excluding some places of course) is safer than a supermarket for me I’ve said that since the start. I want a hospitality trade to enjoy as life gets back to normal at present it’s teetering on the edge. Let them reopen inside and out same as non essential retail. 

Sorry that doesn't stand up to  basic scrutiny.

Supermarkets have high ceilings, large volume air space, usually better air flow and transient customers, who legally should wear masks all the time. Brief periods of closer than  2m but quickly apart. Time spent I  the place comparatively small.

Pubs have low ceilings, often warm with less ventilation. Customers are stationary, dont wear masks all the time, and are inevitably closer together as an average.

The 2m rule doesn't suddenly stop transmission, just means you can have a given period of contact with a fairly low risk.

We've all learned about the risk of virus particles remaining in the atmosphere in a warm, dry environment and the means of mitigating it.

It doesn't need a rigorous scientific study here, people can observe the comparisons and see the relative risks of one compared to the other.

A properly managed supermarket/shop by its very physical nature presents a lower risk than a properly managed pub/restaurant.

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sorry that doesn't stand up to  basic scrutiny.

Supermarkets have high ceilings, large volume air space, usually better air flow and transient customers, who legally should wear masks all the time. Brief periods of closer than  2m but quickly apart. Time spent I  the place comparatively small.

Pubs have low ceilings, often warm with less ventilation. Customers are stationary, dont wear masks all the time, and are inevitably closer together as an average.

The 2m rule doesn't suddenly stop transmission, just means you can have a given period of contact with a fairly low risk.

We've all learned about the risk of virus particles remaining in the atmosphere in a warm, dry environment and the means of mitigating it.

It doesn't need a rigorous scientific study here, people can observe the comparisons and see the relative risks of one compared to the other.

A properly managed supermarket/shop by its very physical nature presents a lower risk than a properly managed pub/restaurant.

Scrutiny? I’m going off my own personal experience. 
 

have you been in a pub when they had reopened out of interest?

24 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Anymore examples micky ? 

As far as I’m aware this is the only one within Bolton. Are we ok to brush it under the carpet if it’s the only one?

7 minutes ago, MickyD said:

As far as I’m aware this is the only one within Bolton. Are we ok to brush it under the carpet if it’s the only one?

There are plenty of anecdotes on this thread of bad form within pubs and the possibility of outbreaks/transmission. Perhaps not reflective of the situation as a whole but stories there nonetheless. 

Plenty of criticisms of Asda too, but generally shops have applied rules quite well, and I've not seen any stories of significant outbreaks linked to supermarkets etc.

This constant demand for 'information' is somewhat infantile; no government closed businesses for the sake of it. There are fundamental reasons based around previous understanding of transmission of such illnesses. 

I caught a little of a programme last night, which highlighted the lack of understanding of some officials of this illness and the reasons why we were perhaps slow at applying the necessary measures.

As soon as more was learned, and epidemiologists etc were listened to, the things changed. Are folk really saying that such experience and knowledge has no scientific basis?

 

i think its been a common theme on this thread that pubs not following the rules need to be closed down

id say unless the landlord has called plod, that closure should be for a minimum of 6 months

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

As soon as more was learned, and epidemiologists etc were listened to, the things changed. Are folk really saying that such experience and knowledge has no scientific basis?

 

im all for following available science

however, the recent modelling contained many assumptions that have been shown to be wrong

not least vaccine roll out and take up

 

why not re run the fucking modelling now we know more

the fact they dont/wont convinces me theres folk wont be happy til lockdown kills life as we know it, permanently

46 minutes ago, MickyD said:

As far as I’m aware this is the only one within Bolton. Are we ok to brush it under the carpet if it’s the only one?

Did I say anything about brushing anything under the carpet?

38 minutes ago, Casino said:

im all for following available science

however, the recent modelling contained many assumptions that have been shown to be wrong

not least vaccine roll out and take up

 

why not re run the fucking modelling now we know more

the fact they dont/wont convinces me theres folk wont be happy til lockdown kills life as we know it, permanently

Why do they want to kill life as we know it ?

I can not think of a single economic reason why the Govt would want to extend lockdown. So can anyone explain why they would do this other than to reduce risk of another wave ?

I want this shit over as much as anyone, but I want it over unquestionably for good not a few weeks. Surely worse outcome for retail/ leisure is a temporary reopening ? 

50 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Did I say anything about brushing anything under the carpet?

Perhaps you didn’t say as much but the way you asked for further instances certainly made it sound (to me) as though without others, then Hennigan’s part in the spreading becomes trivial.

As is often the case, perhaps my inability to identify the nuances contained in the spoken word.

Just now, MickyD said:

Perhaps you didn’t say as much but the way you asked for further instances certainly made it sound (to me) as though without others, then Hennigan’s part in the spreading becomes trivial.

As is often the case, perhaps my inability to identify the nuances contained in the spoken word.

My fault for not being clearer. I’m not aware of another incident such as the henighans incident which was why I asked. We had a case at a local pub which I’ve mentioned before where a staff member tested positive. The pub shut itself for 7 days and they contacted everybody who had been in the pub when he was working as well as alerting track and trace to this. 
 

I fail to see how that sort of venue is deemed less save than asda where the chin strap brigade are breathing all over you and mailing through fruit and veg etc.  

34 minutes ago, Ani said:

Why do they want to kill life as we know it ?

I can not think of a single economic reason why the Govt would want to extend lockdown. So can anyone explain why they would do this other than to reduce risk of another wave ?

I want this shit over as much as anyone, but I want it over unquestionably for good not a few weeks. Surely worse outcome for retail/ leisure is a temporary reopening ? 

This.

Modelling produces predicted outcomes based on different scenarios. As far as uptake is concerned, they are going to use previous data on that to produce a most likely outcome situation. That will form the basis of a programme of action.

If uptake is better then great, but until it happens then you can't plan for it.

If something like this happens again, then presumably modelling would take information from this event to help produce a more accurate prediction.

38 minutes ago, Ani said:

 

I want this shit over as much as anyone, but I want it over unquestionably for good not a few weeks. Surely worse outcome for retail/ leisure is a temporary reopening ? 

The Isle of Man, in a fanfare of glory and “Look at us, we’ll show you how to beat this!” have come unstuck. They released their lockdown early and are now wishing they hadn’t gone so early.

39 minutes ago, Ani said:

Why do they want to kill life as we know it ?

'TOOO TAAAKKE OVVER THE WORRRLD...'

I think all Casino's empty £8 cans have formed a rudimentary Faraday cage that's blocking all the mindwarp rays and allowing him to see the truth.

It can only be the work of Davros that sees dyed-in-the wool money-grubbing Capitalists happy to pay folk to sit scratching their arse, eating Tangtastic mix and watching obscure boxsets...

5 hours ago, Escobarp said:

I agree with mounts here. There is no evidence that pubs were increasing the transmission and we are a million miles from where we were back last summer/autumn time. 
 

a pub (excluding some places of course) is safer than a supermarket for me I’ve said that since the start. I want a hospitality trade to enjoy as life gets back to normal at present it’s teetering on the edge. Let them reopen inside and out same as non essential retail. 

I saw a link on here recently that suggested part of the reason there's no evidence is because they forgot to use it

found another link from October here

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/24/pub-and-restaurant-check-in-data-hardly-used-by-englands-health-officials

anyway, if they say pubs can open under restrictions, you'll still end up like last year with the rules dropping by the hour and the likes of the bottom bull having free for alls, then you'll probably get localised outbreaks

I think supermarkets/retail are considered safer because people are generally on the move with masks on rather than sat in the same place for a few hours without one

I think a pub is certainly a less safe environment than a supermarket - but it's not me who has to make the decision, so it doesn't really matter what I think.

As for when do they open things up, I don't mind staying as we are for a few more months or up until the end of Summer if we have to, if it means that we don't have to go straight back into another lockdown like we've done before

3 hours ago, Casino said:

why not re run the fucking modelling now we know more

the fact they dont/wont convinces me theres folk wont be happy til lockdown kills life as we know it, permanently

stop fucking moaning

1 month to go

you didn't have a life anyway

1 minute ago, Zico said:

stop fucking moaning

1 month to go

you didn't have a life anyway

He only sits around his fire pit drinking 7% juice anyway 

25 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

He only sits around his fire pit drinking 7% juice anyway 

Grapefruit juice or tramp juice?

9 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

Grapefruit juice or tramp juice?

Finest tramp juice for Bury boy 

4 hours ago, Casino said:

im all for following available science

however, the recent modelling contained many assumptions that have been shown to be wrong

not least vaccine roll out and take up

 

why not re run the fucking modelling now we know more

the fact they dont/wont convinces me theres folk wont be happy til lockdown kills life as we know it, permanently

On this we can agree, praise the lord. 

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This.

Modelling produces predicted outcomes based on different scenarios. As far as uptake is concerned, they are going to use previous data on that to produce a most likely outcome situation. That will form the basis of a programme of action.

If uptake is better then great, but until it happens then you can't plan for it.

If something like this happens again, then presumably modelling would take information from this event to help produce a more accurate prediction.

As it stands we are 2 months off pubs & restaraunts opening, were at less than 100 deaths a day, infection rates falling hand over fist so I cannot see the government holding to the 17th May, when all other businesses are open. It needs looking at as every day goes by more pubs and restaurants will be gone forever. Justify another 60 days with hard evidence or allow them to open when other non essential businesses are allowed. 

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

On this we can agree, praise the lord. 

Hospitality can open indoors on 26th April up here. But not with alcohol. So she’s basically saying it’s safe to open but you can’t drink. Strange really 

3 weeks later they hope to allow indoor hospitality. So I assume covid is learning I that 3 week period to not infect people who drink. Clever wee fucker this isn’t it 

Fortunately, the decisions aren’t being made by us.

Caution is the right way. Shit though it is.

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

As it stands we are 2 months off pubs & restaraunts opening, were at less than 100 deaths a day, infection rates falling hand over fist so I cannot see the government holding to the 17th May, when all other businesses are open. It needs looking at as every day goes by more pubs and restaurants will be gone forever. Justify another 60 days with hard evidence or allow them to open when other non essential businesses are allowed. 

No matter what the numbers/data say, I doubt they'll be pulling anything forward, as they've said they will review things every five weeks, they won't sway from that I don't think