Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

In 1997, the UK economy was massively on the up, but folk had had enough of the Tories by then. Scandal after scandal, FFS one MP went to prison.

Net result Labour elected with the largest postwar majority.

At the next election, Tories will have been in power (or joint) for nearly 15 years. 

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

So you keep saying, but the gap is huge and Labour have to make inroads in Scotland, which doesn't look likely at the moment.

 

A lot can change over 4 years

Krankie is strengthening her position up here. Potentially she would enter into a coalition but it would be on strict proviso that she gets her Indy ref 2 vote. 
 

 

4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Krankie is strengthening her position up here. Potentially she would enter into a coalition but it would be on strict proviso that she gets her Indy ref 2 vote. 
 

 

Hopefully, one day, enough will see through her.

 

7 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Hopefully, one day, enough will see through her.

 

It’s like a cult. They are frothing at the mouth. Did you see the protestors on the A1 at berwick the other day telling English folk to stay out of scotland? She obviously gave it the correct political this shouldn’t be happening Stance. But her wording was choice. Something along the lines of I’m not saying English people are welcome. 
 

in reality it’s Clearly racist whichever way folk want to dress it up and it should have had a much more serious response from her and the police. 
 

imagine being stood at the airports with banners saying “kitchen sinks go home don’t bring your Covid here”. You think they would be asked to leave the area or arrested and locked up? 

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Drawn up against Boris? He’s a dead man walking.

Like BD says a lot can happen in 4 years. 

I reckon the general public will have had enough of Tory government by then. Much like the power shift after the last recession.

Weve got a massive recession to come, maybe a depression, all on the back of all the covid bollocks. 

Someone will carry the can and it’s usually the government. Gordon Brown got the blame for a global recession sparked by the US. Be no different this time imo.

 

Not a prayer at the min. No matter how good Starmer appears to come Across to some, many People just wont vote labour at the moment.

Mounting evidence is suggesting that covid is airborne/aerosol. WHO are going to publish a briefing on it soon. 

Airborne/aerosol means it can hang around in the air for hours in non ventilated areas, and the virus particles can be exhaled in normal breathing ( as opposed to droplets from coughs and sneezes).

If transmission is proven to be signifcant via aerosol, it will likely mean extra focus on guidlines to prevent transmission - e.g. more focus on mask wearing and ventilation for businesses/public places. 

Distancing 1m or 2m is to prevent inhalation of droplets, it doesn't have the same risk minimising effect on aerosol - because you can walk into an aerosol cloud that someone breathed out several hours before.   

 

 

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2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Mounting evidence is suggesting that covid is airborne/aerosol. WHO are going to publish a briefing on it soon. 

Airborne/aerosol means it can hang around in the air for ages in non ventilated areas, and the virus particles can be exhaled in normal breathing ( as opposed to droplets from coughs and sneezes).

If transmission is proven to be signifcant via aerosol, it will likely mean extra focus on guidlines to prevent transmission - e.g. more focus on mask wearing and ventilation for businesses/public places. 

Distancing 1m or 2m is to prevent inhalation of droplets, it doesn't have the same risk minimising effect on aerosol - because you can walk into an aerosol cloud that someone breathed out several minutes before.   

 

 

 

 

I'm amazed there's still a debate on masks. The data from NY should've been sufficient to end the conversation and enforce masks in enclosed public spaces. 

People should look at the IHME forecasts for the UK, with and without masks:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

They have a peak coming in November that will make what we just went through pale in comparison. 

 

3 hours ago, Escobarp said:

It’s like a cult. They are frothing at the mouth. Did you see the protestors on the A1 at berwick the other day telling English folk to stay out of scotland? She obviously gave it the correct political this shouldn’t be happening Stance. But her wording was choice. Something along the lines of I’m not saying English people are welcome. 
 

in reality it’s Clearly racist whichever way folk want to dress it up and it should have had a much more serious response from her and the police. 
 

imagine being stood at the airports with banners saying “kitchen sinks go home don’t bring your Covid here”. You think they would be asked to leave the area or arrested and locked up? 

Not racist, but hate crime.

If us English spend our tourist pounds elsewhere, then maybe, just maybe, the penny might start to drop.

Keir ripping Borris a new one again

11 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Not racist, but hate crime.

If us English spend our tourist pounds elsewhere, then maybe, just maybe, the penny might start to drop.

How is it not racist?

5 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Keir ripping Borris a new one again

Absolutely embarrassing for Bozza.

 

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Absolutely embarrassing for Bozza.

 

it is, he's doing that thing again where he starts to trip over his words when he gets flustered

9 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Keir ripping Borris a new one again

So what, he has zero power or influence in Parliament, he’s irrelevant.

Keir would be better going back to being a ‘Forensic ‘ human rights lawyer, looking for loopholes to get people off the hook in court.

2 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

So what, he has zero power or influence in Parliament, he’s irrelevant.

Keir would be better going back to being a ‘Forensic ‘ human rights lawyer, looking for loopholes to get people off the hook in court.

thanks for that shag

@peelyfeet if this thing is airborne are we all Donald ducked? Unless we wear masks/coverings permanently outside?

 

also if it is airborne why have more have us not caught it when round the supermarkets etc etc and why hasn’t their been a huge spike nationwide since lockdown started to ease?

14 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

 

 

I'm amazed there's still a debate on masks. The data from NY should've been sufficient to end the conversation and enforce masks in enclosed public spaces. 

People should look at the IHME forecasts for the UK, with and without masks:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

They have a peak coming in November that will make what we just went through pale in comparison. 

 

We are just so fucking slow and the message hasn't been strong enough yet again

It's a piece of material over your mouth and nose that costs next to nothing, why haven't they got them on in the house of commons for example. Thick bastards

 

3 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

We are just so fucking slow and the message hasn't been strong enough yet again

It's a piece of material over your mouth and nose that costs next to nothing, why haven't they got them on in the house of commons for example. Thick bastards

 

Isn’t just us though. SomeoneI know is in Germany today roaming round without a mask on and not a requirement there. So it’s wrong to say we are so slow we are in line with most other similar countries no? 

51 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

So what, he has zero power or influence in Parliament, he’s irrelevant.

Keir would be better going back to being a ‘Forensic ‘ human rights lawyer, looking for loopholes to get people off the hook in court.

Did you just say the Leader of the Opposition has zero influence in parliament?

 

Richie upto an 8 for me. 

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Did you just say the Leader of the Opposition has zero influence in parliament?

 

He has zero influence on Moon Boy and the Boris fan club they will ignore everything. 

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

How is it not racist?

We are the same race

55 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

@peelyfeet if this thing is airborne are we all Donald ducked? Unless we wear masks/coverings permanently outside?

 

also if it is airborne why have more have us not caught it when round the supermarkets etc etc and why hasn’t their been a huge spike nationwide since lockdown started to ease?

It's fairly conclusive that it is airbone - what they dont know is by which method most people catch it, because it's very hard to prove.

It might be that most of the suspected 4 million that have had it in the UK caught it indoors via aerosol, or maybe none have - nobody knows.

What we do know is that countries with early take up, high % face mask wearing have fared better, so there is a link.  

So if there is a way of potentially protecting from one particular method of transmission, that is cheap and doesnt have as large an effect on businesses/schools etc as other restrictions (such as 2m distancing), then why not promote it?   

 

50 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Isn’t just us though. SomeoneI know is in Germany today roaming round without a mask on and not a requirement there. So it’s wrong to say we are so slow we are in line with most other similar countries no? 

 most of the reports say theres a  20 odd % take up in the UK - a lot of countires are way higher

 

this one says we are at 12%, germany 62% - bottom of the page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_masks_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

 

this says 25%

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53316491

I bet we are all wearing them more in a few months

Edited July 8, 20205 yr by peelyfeet

1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

We are just so fucking slow and the message hasn't been strong enough yet again

It's a piece of material over your mouth and nose that costs next to nothing, why haven't they got them on in the house of commons for example. Thick bastards

 

 

Messaging has been appalling from the start. Ditto the wasted chances to set a good example. 

It's  winding me up that there's not a clear and consistent hammering home of the mask message. Set the precedent now whilst you can. If we're heading into November with over 100k infections and 800 deaths a day it will be too fucking late. Again. 

Alternatively armed Judge Dredd characters executing instant justice in the aisles of Tesco would also work. Pour encourager les autres. 

1 hour ago, Moon boy said:

So what, he has zero power or influence in Parliament, he’s irrelevant.

Keir would be better going back to being a ‘Forensic ‘ human rights lawyer, looking for loopholes to get people off the hook in court.

  fuck me

5 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

 

Messaging has been appalling from the start. Ditto the wasted chances to set a good example. 

It's  winding me up that there's not a clear and consistent hammering home of the mask message. Set the precedent now whilst you can. If we're heading into November with over 100k infections and 800 deaths a day it will be too fucking late. Again. 

Alternatively armed Judge Dredd characters executing instant justice in the aisles of Tesco would also work. Pour encourager les autres. 

It's bonkers -  have to wear a mask if sat on a bus with all the windows open, but down the biscuit isle of Tesco and in the house of commons the virus must magically dissipate, so no mask required.

It's basic physics - the virus particles can get into your body when you breath them in - anything that potentially reduces the amount of virus particles in the air that you breath (Wind, Barriers, Distance, reducing Frequency of exposure)  reduces the chance of catching/transmitting. 

dr john just posted a video about it -- sums it up well