Meanwhile in Israel

[BobyBrno]

Love him, hate him or indifferent. If he succeeds in inciting a revolt in Iran against the Islamic regime, it would be a major success. Wouldn’t it?

The replies seem to agree with him.

 

[Not in Crawley]

45 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Hitler was an elected popularist  politician who needed to be liked. I have learned from 40 odd years of managing construction sites that likability is a weakness so not very good analogy.

I've been thinking of which dictator most suited me, at first thought Napoleon but he was too expansionist so settled on Fidel Castro, he focused on defending his bit of the planet right under the noses of the biggest western "democracy"

I think you'd have been mightly pissed off decdaces of economic stagnation, currency value being wiped out so any money you had was worth nothing overnight. And best not be gay either. Or speak out against the Castro regime. Or leave. Well, you couldn't as you'd be pretty much penniless.

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

 

It's pretty clear you think brown people should be governed by dictators, while you and your "culture" deserve better.

I have to disagree with your summation, but you are quite welcome to expand your hypothesis for me to consider.

Having worked (and still do) with many nationalities i really do not see brown or white, I always focus on the job in hand and as long as you can do it and take home a decent wage for your skill set we're all friends.

Today's discussion has been good for me in trying to  sort out what my actual "politics" are... I'm probably slightly republican but with a need for strong leadership

 

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

I think you'd have been mightly pissed off decdaces of economic stagnation, currency value being wiped out so any money you had was worth nothing overnight. And best not be gay either. Or speak out against the Castro regime. Or leave. Well, you couldn't as you'd be pretty much penniless.

Yeah but he stuck two fingers up to all those American Presidents who came and went through the democratic revolving door... my kind of dictator

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I have to disagree with your summation, but you are quite welcome to expand your hypothesis for me to consider.

Having worked (and still do) with many nationalities i really do not see brown or white, I always focus on the job in hand and as long as you can do it and take home a decent wage for your skill set we're all friends.

Today's discussion has been good for me in trying to  sort out what my actual "politics" are... I'm probably slightly republican but with a need for strong leadership

You think "Middle-Eastern" countries should be ruled by dictators, but your country shouldn't. You think "Middle-Eastern" people aren't as civilised as you. It's as simple as that.

[Not in Crawley]

35 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Yeah but he stuck two fingers up to all those American Presidents who came and went through the democratic revolving door... my kind of dictator

Well he didn't, he had to go cap in hand to the Soviets to do that.

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well he didn't, he had to go cap in hand to the Soviets to do that.

Dim Ron 

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

You think "Middle-Eastern" countries should be ruled by dictators, but your country shouldn't. You think "Middle-Eastern" people aren't as civilised as you. It's as simple as that.

This is a good listen/watch on the differences between East and West.

 

 

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well he didn't, he had to go cap in hand to the Soviets to do that.

Maybe in the thick of it you need to find a friend.

Which political leader would you be?

[Winchester White]

29 minutes ago, gonzo said:

This is a good listen/watch on the differences between East and West.

 

 

That is utter bollocks. The USA is fucked. Bad history? 

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

You think "Middle-Eastern" countries should be ruled by dictators, but your country shouldn't. You think "Middle-Eastern" people aren't as civilised as you. It's as simple as that.

I think dictatorism is a viable system within certain limits irrespective of where it occurs, just like "parliamentary democracy" and our country has a lot to apologise for. We all exist in a form of dictatorship.

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, Dimron said:

Maybe in the thick of it you need to find a friend.

Which political leader would you be?

'In the thick of it' is doing a lot of heavy lifting for actually 'being totally skint'

That's a leading question, so I'll take it in which political leader to I admire (I wouldn't be any because I don't want to be in politics) I admire Roosevelt, JFK, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Gorbachev, Lincoln, Churchill, Desreli, Pitt the younger 

All of them changed their countries - and yes - and all for many different reasons. It's not a binary thing.

[Dimron]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

'In the thick of it' is doing a lot of heavy lifting for actually 'being totally skint'

That's a leading question, so I'll take it in which political leader to I admire (I wouldn't be any because I don't want to be in politics) I admire Roosevelt, JFK, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Gorbachev, Lincoln, Churchill, Desreli, Pitt the younger 

All of them changed their countries - and yes - and all for many different reasons. It's not a binary thing.

Come on... tell us... I've put my cards on the table

Who and Why? 🙂

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, Casino said:

a technicality but didn't more tories vote for the invasion than commies?

FFS. Grasp at any straw.

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, Sweep said:

Sorry, I didn't see him use the word "inferior", you're right to call him out to if he did that

I really don't know why you bother mate. You used a word in the Trump debate. 'Unhinged'.

He must get very little attention anywhere else in his life.

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, Dimron said:

I have to disagree with your summation, but you are quite welcome to expand your hypothesis for me to consider.

Having worked (and still do) with many nationalities i really do not see brown or white, I always focus on the job in hand and as long as you can do it and take home a decent wage for your skill set we're all friends.

Today's discussion has been good for me in trying to  sort out what my actual "politics" are... I'm probably slightly republican but with a need for strong leadership

 

You'll note that without exception he always arrives at a 'brown people' point. Utterly obsessed.

He must have some serious racism related skeletons in his cupboard. Former member of NF, BNP or similar?

Either way mate, best not to engage. If you say alkali, he'll say acid. An attention seeking contrary cunt in need of the oxygen of being noticed.

[Cheese]

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Either way mate, best not to engage. If you say alkali, he'll say acid. An attention seeking contrary cunt in need of the oxygen of being noticed.

Says the site's self-proclaimed "fishing" expert. 😁

Edited October 1, 2024 by Cheese

[kent_white]

11 hours ago, Dimron said:

I think dictatorism is a viable system within certain limits irrespective of where it occurs, just like "parliamentary democracy" and our country has a lot to apologise for. We all exist in a form of dictatorship.

That's a new 'ism' on me! 😁 I think the problem with dictatorships is that they often aren't big fans of 'certain limits' in their 'viable system'.

[Cheese]

12 hours ago, gonzo said:

This is a good listen/watch on the differences between East and West.

I suppose it is, if you're into listening to someone talk a load of shite.

[gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I suppose it is, if you're into listening to someone talk a load of shite.

I spend my days listening to you on here so I've quite a low bar tbf.

[mickbrown]

10 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You'll note that without exception he always arrives at a 'brown people' point. Utterly obsessed.

He must have some serious racism related skeletons in his cupboard. Former member of NF, BNP or similar?

Either way mate, best not to engage. If you say alkali, he'll say acid. An attention seeking contrary cunt in need of the oxygen of being noticed.

There is a fully paid up BNP member amongst us.
 

Ain’t Cheese though. Well not the one I know at least. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

14 hours ago, Dimron said:

I have to disagree with your summation, but you are quite welcome to expand your hypothesis for me to consider.

Having worked (and still do) with many nationalities i really do not see brown or white, I always focus on the job in hand and as long as you can do it and take home a decent wage for your skill set we're all friends.

Today's discussion has been good for me in trying to  sort out what my actual "politics" are... I'm probably slightly republican but with a need for strong leadership

 

We, in the Western world, understandably, look at basket cases of nations all over, and apply our reasoning to them.

Open, free society, not run by tyrannical regimes, etc.

Quite right, and and a reasonable aspiration.

I think you have a point though, in the the sudden removal of such a regime, without proper plans for afterwards, has only left the door open for an equivalent replacement. 

We stayed a while in Afghanistan and it was making a difference, but then Joe ballsed it up.

I get your reasoning behind "leaving them to it" etc, and maybe a slow shift towards a modern, democratic future is the way to go.

The one fly in the ointment, is the export of hate and terrorism that often ensues from such regimes, which often means we can't leave the situations to naturally sort themselves out.

[Dimron]

10 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You'll note that without exception he always arrives at a 'brown people' point. Utterly obsessed.

He must have some serious racism related skeletons in his cupboard. Former member of NF, BNP or similar?

Either way mate, best not to engage. If you say alkali, he'll say acid. An attention seeking contrary cunt in need of the oxygen of being noticed.

I see it as banter, but like all banter we need to know when to stop... I admit we were a bit late in applying the brakes yesterday, probably my fault... I was at home, it was raining and I was bored 

[Dimron]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We, in the Western world, understandably, look at basket cases of nations all over, and apply our reasoning to them.

Open, free society, not run by tyrannical regimes, etc.

Quite right, and and a reasonable aspiration.

I think you have a point though, in the the sudden removal of such a regime, without proper plans for afterwards, has only left the door open for an equivalent replacement. 

We stayed a while in Afghanistan and it was making a difference, but then Joe ballsed it up.

I get your reasoning behind "leaving them to it" etc, and maybe a slow shift towards a modern, democratic future is the way to go.

The one fly in the ointment, is the export of hate and terrorism that often ensues from such regimes, which often means we can't leave the situations to naturally sort themselves out.

Good precis there.

My only point to add is that our "western" systems aren't exactly perfect

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Good precis there.

My only point to add is that our "western" systems aren't exactly perfect

There is no perfect system of society. 

Human nature that whatever the norm becomes, someone will want something else.