Meanwhile in Israel

[bolty58]

14 hours ago, kent_white said:

If you'd taken the time to listen to them, then you might think differently. There's nothing about what they say that makes them sound like 'bleeding hearts' or 'liberal' or even political really. 

They're intelligent people, on the ground, describing their experiences. 

I won't take the time. I group these people with the types who go into these war zones to fight for one side or the other. Well meaning fools.

[kent_white]

Even Trump is now admitting that people in Gaza are starving......

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Even Trump is now admitting that people in Gaza are starving......

Has anyone denied this? Some are starving.

Hamas aren't.

Funny that.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

If those UN figures you posted previously are accurate, yet people are indeed malnourished or even starving then there is clearly a question to be asked about Hamas and its fighters.

Said it before, UN peace keeping troops, on the ground, delivering aid directly to people.

[bolty58]

46 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If those UN figures you posted previously are accurate, yet people are indeed malnourished or even starving then there is clearly a question to be asked about Hamas and its fighters.

Said it before, UN peace keeping troops, on the ground, delivering aid directly to people.

No problem with this. No UNRWA delivering assistance to Hamas though.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

No problem with this. No UNRWA delivering assistance to Hamas though.

Indeed. Proper troops.

 

[kent_white]

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Has anyone denied this? Some are starving.

Hamas aren't.

Funny that.

Yes, lots of people have denied it. Including the Israelis. 

I think a few people on here have suggested that's it's not really happening too. And that it's all just liberal/Hamas propaganda. 

That's how I interpreted it anyway. 

[Bertie]

As predicted. Surely even #theusuals would admit it’s not really about hostages and Hamas now.  More about Netanyahu staying in power at any cost, and Israeli extremists eventually claiming Gaza for illegal settlements as per the West Bank.  I hope the IDF have the civilian casualties on their conscience for eternity. (Just to be clear as I did for the Hamas terrorists and the 7/10 victims). It’s a disgrace the international community continues to do nothing to stop this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7geg3lvz1o

Edited May 17, 2025 by Bertie

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, Bertie said:

As predicted. Surely even #theusuals would admit it’s not really about hostages and Hamas now.  More about Netanyahu staying in power at any cost, and Israeli extremists eventually claiming Gaza for illegal settlements as per the West Bank.  I hope the IDF have the civilian casualties on their conscience for eternity. (Just to be clear as I did for the Hamas terrorists and the 7/10 victims). It’s a disgrace the international community continues to do nothing to stop this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7geg3lvz1o

You spelt “keep backing this” wrong

[Zico]

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

Yes, lots of people have denied it. Including the Israelis. 

I think a few people on here have suggested that's it's not really happening too. And that it's all just liberal/Hamas propaganda. 

That's how I interpreted it anyway. 

there's certainly a lot of denial going on regards what Israel are doing and why

[bolty58]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

there's certainly a lot of denial going on regards what Israel are doing and why

No denial. Bunker busting bombs should give you a clue what Israel is doing. Once again the 'heroes' are hiding under hospitals, schools and anything else where they can put the people they purport to protect in mortal danger. For both cowardly and propaganda reasons.

Why? The total destruction of Hamas and their infrastructure.

What some clowns think can be 'done to stop this' is laughable - unless they mean release all hostages, let the IDF cut out the remnants of the cancer and then commence to rebuild.

[Zico]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

No denial. Bunker busting bombs should give you a clue what Israel is doing. Once again the 'heroes' are hiding under hospitals, schools and anything else where they can put the people they purport to protect in mortal danger. For both cowardly and propaganda reasons.

Why? The total destruction of Hamas and their infrastructure.

What some clowns think can be 'done to stop this' is laughable - unless they mean release all hostages, let the IDF cut out the remnants of the cancer and then commence to rebuild.

See what I mean

[bolty58]

8 hours ago, Zico said:

See what I mean

The 'likers' say it all. 'The usual suspects'. A different view from yours is 'denial'. The fucking arrogance.

See the job through to the end.

It will soon be over, hopefully.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

21 hours ago, kent_white said:

Yes, lots of people have denied it. Including the Israelis. 

I think a few people on here have suggested that's it's not really happening too. And that it's all just liberal/Hamas propaganda. 

That's how I interpreted it anyway. 

Big if obviously, but if there is sufficient aid going in, as those UN figures suggest, but people are still starving then that has to be solely on those who are distributing the aid.

Is it a tactic to allow them to claim some sort of moral high ground, or stealing it for their own fighters' stockpiling?

Maybe both. 

Not convinced there is enough aid going in, but when some is spirited away, it doesn't help the populous at large.

The whole conflict situation has indeed allowed Netanyahu to continue, and further his more extreme views, which illustrates the madness of the terrorist attack initially. 

Though the main sponsor of it, Iran, will undoubtedly be very happy. 

[Zico]

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

The 'likers' say it all. 'The usual suspects'. A different view from yours is 'denial'. The fucking arrogance.

See the job through to the end.

It will soon be over, hopefully.

If the hostages are returned tomorrow, it won't be over 

If it's reported that all Hamas are now dead, it won't be over 

Israeli Zionists want all the Palestinians out of Gaza and to take it for themselves 

They pretty much announced that all their plan last week

It's all they've ever wanted and along with the west bank have been at it since the day Israel was formed

It's why Hamas exist in the first place

It might be over, for a bit, if a less extreme government get in

The problem is the extreme parties that have been in charge of Israel and Palestine itching for an excuse to do their thing

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Big if obviously, but if there is sufficient aid going in, as those UN figures suggest, but people are still starving then that has to be solely on those who are distributing the aid.

Is it a tactic to allow them to claim some sort of moral high ground, or stealing it for their own fighters' stockpiling?

Maybe both. 

Not convinced there is enough aid going in, but when some is spirited away, it doesn't help the populous at large.

The whole conflict situation has indeed allowed Netanyahu to continue, and further his more extreme views, which illustrates the madness of the terrorist attack initially. 

Though the main sponsor of it, Iran, will undoubtedly be very happy. 

There isn't sufficient aid going in though. There's been a blockade by Israel for the past 9 weeks. 

And hypothetically, even if enough aid was going, but was being partially creamed off by Hamas, then more aid would need to go in to make up the shortfall. 

But that's a moot point - I don't think any has gone in since March 2nd. 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

If the hostages are returned tomorrow, it won't be over 

Sickening as it is to say it. Those hostages are probably Hamas' last bargaining chip aren't they? 

I'm with you. I think this has gone way too far to imagine Israel are going to back down, with the possible exception of Trump forcing them to, and/or new leadership in Jerusalem. 

[Zico]

Just now, kent_white said:

Sickening as it is to say it. Those hostages are probably Hamas' last bargaining chip aren't they? 

I'm with you. I think this has gone way too far to imagine Israel are going to back down, with the possible exception of Trump forcing them to, and/or new leadership in Jerusalem. 

The last ceasefire involved handing over hostages 

Then there was the second stage where the deal was more hostages returned for more ceasefire 

Then Israel wanted to change the terms to say more hostages returned but if we decide we need to end the ceasefire we can

Hamas said no

So Israel ended the ceasefire

They aren't arsed about the hostages, they just provide a convenient excuse and justification for laying destruction on Gaza and driving the locals out 

Well that's what it looks like to me, based on everything that has happened since October 7th

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, Zico said:

If the hostages are returned tomorrow, it won't be over 

If it's reported that all Hamas are now dead, it won't be over 

Israeli Zionists want all the Palestinians out of Gaza and to take it for themselves 

They pretty much announced that all their plan last week

It's all they've ever wanted and along with the west bank have been at it since the day Israel was formed

It's why Hamas exist in the first place

It might be over, for a bit, if a less extreme government get in

The problem is the extreme parties that have been in charge of Israel and Palestine itching for an excuse to do their thing

There is a job waiting for you son. Salesperson for the Socialist Worker.

Get a black marker pen and draw a hang glider gunship on your dysentery slacks FFS.

 

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, kent_white said:

Sickening as it is to say it. Those hostages are probably Hamas' last bargaining chip aren't they? 

I'm with you. I think this has gone way too far to imagine Israel are going to back down, with the possible exception of Trump forcing them to, and/or new leadership in Jerusalem. 

I will concede that he is technically correct. Once the hostages are released, there will be a few days of cleaning out the cancerous cells. Flooding their tunnels with sea water once the hostages are free would be an excellent start.

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Zico said:

They aren't arsed about the hostages, they just provide a convenient excuse and justification for laying destruction on Gaza and driving the locals out 

Well that's what it looks like to me, based on everything that has happened since October 7th

Utter twaddle.

[Duck Egg]

 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

18 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Utter twaddle.

Absolutely. 

If that was the case then why take the hostages in the first place?

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Absolutely. 

If that was the case then why take the hostages in the first place?

Why are the families of the hostages accusing BN of prolonging the war for political purposes rather than focusing on getting the hostages back?

[royal white]

18 minutes ago, Zico said:

Why are the families of the hostages accusing BN of prolonging the war for political purposes rather than focusing on getting the hostages back?

I Didn’t realise the Bolton News had such an influence in the war