Slow news day, or end of the world?

”Aggressive” new variant has landed in Moscow. Makes people, even those that have been vaccinated, more poorly than previous types.

Time for Uncle Joe to push the button? Short term pain.

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Because it isn’t overwhelming the NHS, and unlikely to?

It isnt overwhelming the NHS because they stop doing other stuff

If you cant see its a purely sekfish move on billy liars part, i give up

Tbh, im not bothered what they do anymore but im not waiting for a hip replacement or similar

10 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Because it isn’t overwhelming the NHS, and unlikely to?

What percentage of NHS capacity is acceptable for Covid though?

Since we’re losing staff and there’s unlikely to ever be an improvement in that respect, what pressure is “fair” if it’s pushing other operations aside?

14 minutes ago, Casino said:

It isnt overwhelming the NHS because they stop doing other stuff

If you cant see its a purely sekfish move on billy liars part, i give up

Tbh, im not bothered what they do anymore but im not waiting for a hip replacement or similar

Thanks for putting me right

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

What percentage of NHS capacity is acceptable for Covid though?

Since we’re losing staff and there’s unlikely to ever be an improvement in that respect, what pressure is “fair” if it’s pushing other operations aside?

Are you @Cheese?

4 hours ago, Winchester White said:

His back benchers fucking love it though and he needs them onside.

Some of them. Remember most of them were supportive of covid measures and wouldn't be particularly bothered if we kept the last vestiges of restrictions for a month or two more.

Not sure any of them will be withdrawing their letters of no confidence neither.

Anyway, I doubt the "data" will allow such moves. Nothing more than a sound bite.

2 hours ago, Spider said:

What percentage of NHS capacity is acceptable for Covid though?

Since we’re losing staff and there’s unlikely to ever be an improvement in that respect, what pressure is “fair” if it’s pushing other operations aside?

You were for cracking on not so long back!

Anyway, stats for October last year showed just under 4% more staff employed in the nhs than the year before. Considering covid, and some leaving, that's better than I'd anticipated. 

But it is an improvement contrary to your guesswork.

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Some of them. Remember most of them were supportive of covid measures and wouldn't be particularly bothered if we kept the last vestiges of restrictions for a month or two more.

Not sure any of them will be withdrawing their letters of no confidence neither.

Anyway, I doubt the "data" will allow such moves. Nothing more than a sound bite.

I am not so sure, they cheered like children when he announced it on Wednesday. 

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You were for cracking on not so long back!

Anyway, stats for October last year showed just under 4% more staff employed in the nhs than the year before. Considering covid, and some leaving, that's better than I'd anticipated. 

But it is an improvement contrary to your guesswork.

It was a genuine question. I still say crack on, but does the NHS need to adjust to cope with what seems to be a steady, if not high, number of hospitalisations?

17 hours ago, Spider said:

It was a genuine question. I still say crack on, but does the NHS need to adjust to cope with what seems to be a steady, if not high, number of hospitalisations?

Was the original estimated date right then?

why?

Why not delay further?

 

40 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Was the original estimated date right then?

why?

Why not delay further?

 

I’ve not looked at any stats for weeks now.

But a quick peep yesterday suggests hospitalisations have levelled out but still fairly high.

The argument was always the NHS coping. Doesn’t sound like it is if you factor in routine ops that just aren’t being done still.

Obviously, the NHS has been on its arse for years so that won’t help.

When are those 40 new hospitals ready? (Well, not new, but we’ve already established that lie so won’t go into it again)

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’ve not looked at any stats for weeks now.

But a quick peep yesterday suggests hospitalisations have levelled out but still fairly high.

The argument was always the NHS coping. Doesn’t sound like it is if you factor in routine ops that just aren’t being done still.

Obviously, the NHS has been on its arse for years so that won’t help.

When are those 40 new hospitals ready? (Well, not new, but we’ve already established that lie so won’t go into it again)

No answers; fancy.

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

No answers; fancy.

Coming from WWays most consistent 4 word sniper, I’ll take that as a compliment  😁

Hospitals need to be allowing more than one visitor now. Not being allowed to see family members who are lonely and confused as to why they aren't seeing anyone is breaking my heart 😔

3 hours ago, Spider said:

I’ve not looked at any stats for weeks now.

But a quick peep yesterday suggests hospitalisations have levelled out but still fairly high.

The argument was always the NHS coping. Doesn’t sound like it is if you factor in routine ops that just aren’t being done still.

Obviously, the NHS has been on its arse for years so that won’t help.

When are those 40 new hospitals ready? (Well, not new, but we’ve already established that lie so won’t go into it again)

So long as the hospitalisations are predominantly un vaccinated people (taking into account proportions) then maybe we have to.

Can't keep restrictions in forever because of a few- they'll either have immunity through infection or will croak.

Fwiw, I do think it might be a little too soon, but for reasons I outlined a few days ago, I can see the thinking.

11 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

So long as the hospitalisations are predominantly un vaccinated people (taking into account proportions) then maybe we have to.

Can't keep restrictions in forever because of a few- they'll either have immunity through infection or will croak.

Fwiw, I do think it might be a little too soon, but for reasons I outlined a few days ago, I can see the thinking.

To distract folk from the bell whiff in charge? Maybe that's just the cynic in me.

Can't see the point in bringing it forward, personally 

Edited February 13, 20224 yr by mickbrown

5 hours ago, bolton_blondie said:

Hospitals need to be allowing more than one visitor now. Not being allowed to see family members who are lonely and confused as to why they aren't seeing anyone is breaking my heart 😔

My grandad died in hospital last week. They gave him 6 months to live, 6 months ago. He spent most of it at home, but went into hospital 2 weeks ago. No visitors were allowed for the entire time he was in. The night he died, they let my grandma and my uncle onto the ward to spend some time with his body. What is the fucking sense in that?

Edited February 13, 20224 yr by Cheese

6 hours ago, bolton_blondie said:

Hospitals need to be allowing more than one visitor now. Not being allowed to see family members who are lonely and confused as to why they aren't seeing anyone is breaking my heart 😔

My mum is currently in C3 at Bolton. We can’t go and see her which is bollocks. I thought everything got relaxed.

2 minutes ago, MickyD said:

My mum is currently in C3 at Bolton. We can’t go and see her which is bollocks. I thought everything got relaxed.

Shes now on c3 too. We've been allowed one family member to persuade her to eat 😢

2 hours ago, mickbrown said:

To distract folk from the bell whiff in charge? Maybe that's just the cynic in me.

Can't see the point in bringing it forward, personally 

Been through this a page or two back.

I'm not convinced it's the right thing, but importantly he chucked in "if the data allows"

More of a sound bite than anything else, and as things stand I don't reckon it will happen.

However, there must come a point that it is no longer law to isolate, and becomes part of the normal way of taking time off sick. Obviously some people don't get sick pay which I think all companies should offer- even if it takes a confirmatory test to show you're not swinging the lead.

 

5 minutes ago, bolton_blondie said:

Shes now on c3 too. We've been allowed one family member to persuade her to eat 😢

I think I already put on this thread. 2 years self-isolation meant Covid free. Four days in RBH meant Covid positive.

28 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Been through this a page or two back.

I'm not convinced it's the right thing, but importantly he chucked in "if the data allows"

More of a sound bite than anything else, and as things stand I don't reckon it will happen.

However, there must come a point that it is no longer law to isolate, and becomes part of the normal way of taking time off sick. Obviously some people don't get sick pay which I think all companies should offer- even if it takes a confirmatory test to show you're not swinging the lead.

 

Aye, I know. We have to get on with it at some point.

But I'm hardly likely to miss a chance to stick the boot in to old cunty bollox am I? 😁

44 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I think I already put on this thread. 2 years self-isolation meant Covid free. Four days in RBH meant Covid positive.

Yeah my nan has never had it before either. Now she has 😢

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

My grandad died in hospital last week. They gave him 6 months to live, 6 months ago. He spent most of it at home, but went into hospital 2 weeks ago. No visitors were allowed for the entire time he was in. The night he died, they let my grandma and my uncle onto the ward to spend some time with his body. What is the fucking sense in that?

Im sorry to hear that x

9 minutes ago, bolton_blondie said:

Im sorry to hear that x

Thanks BB. Sending hopes and thoughts to you and your nan.

43 minutes ago, bolton_blondie said:

Yeah my nan has never had it before either. Now she has 😢

Can’t you dress up in your work gear and just walk on the ward?