Slow news day, or end of the world?

”Aggressive” new variant has landed in Moscow. Makes people, even those that have been vaccinated, more poorly than previous types.

Time for Uncle Joe to push the button? Short term pain.

So, on one side we have an anaesthetist, on the other we have the rest of the medical world. It's not even a debate.

by end of next month 

i bet they will stop giveing us 

GOT DEAD numbers and Cases per day 

40 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

I listened to Doctor Josef Mengele and his strong data once and ended up being sent down for ABH after I stitched two twins together.

 

Not like you to go off on a rambling load of bollox tangent. You’re trying to hard fella.  

27 minutes ago, Carlos said:

So, on one side we have an anaesthetist, on the other we have the rest of the medical world. It's not even a debate.

He’s a critical care consultant doctor. Have you listened to the interview? 

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Not like you to go off on a rambling load of bollox tangent. You’re trying to hard fella.  

'too' not 'to'.

 

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He’s a critical care consultant doctor. Have you listened to the interview? 

Life is too short. I have no medical experience, not even an O Level in Biology, I don't have opinions that need validating.

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Interesting listening to Dr Steve James on Sky news this morning, listening to him you have to question the rationale behind vaccinating all and sundry. 

No you dont

6 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Life is too short. I have no medical experience, not even an O Level in Biology, I don't have opinions that need validating.

I like to listen to all sides and make my own mind up. Each to their own. 

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I like to listen to all sides and make my own mind up. Each to their own. 

You’ve literally just said you pick the arguments that fit your view.

so you go into this with your mind made up and seek out validation.

You’re proper dense

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-30/government-set-for-u-turn-on-mandatory-vaccines-for-health-workers

15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I like to listen to all sides and agree with the one I'd already decided is correct. Each to their own. 

EFA

2 minutes ago, bolton_blondie said:

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-30/government-set-for-u-turn-on-mandatory-vaccines-for-health-workers

Rightly so. Another silly decision to be overturned. 

I've made my mind up that I'm happy to believe science.

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Interesting listening to Dr Steve James on Sky news this morning, listening to him you have to question the rationale behind vaccinating all and sundry. 

Watching the interview and having seen him speak before, I get the impression that he’s not following the data as he suggests but finding data to match his underlying belief that he doesn’t agree with vaccines at all.

another fucking shitshow

1 hour ago, wiggy said:

Watching the interview and having seen him speak before, I get the impression that he’s not following the data as he suggests but finding data to match his underlying belief that he doesn’t agree with vaccines at all.

He said the Vaccinations done great job for those at risk, so no idea where you get that from. 

4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He’s a critical care consultant doctor. Have you listened to the interview? 

He’s an anaesthetist in critical care. But he has other interests in cardiopulmonary stress testing. He’s no loon but in my opinion he’s fundamentally wrong. Who is at risk? Many of us could have an unknown underlying health problem that could trigger a bad/fatal reaction to Covid

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I like to listen to all sides and make my own mind up. Each to their own. 

Which is your prerogative and you have every right to do so. I disagree with you on this, however, as you say, each to their own

Just now, MancWanderer said:

He’s an anaesthetist in critical care. But he has other interests in cardiopulmonary stress testing. He’s no loon but in my opinion he’s fundamentally wrong. Who is at risk? Many of us could have an unknown underlying health problem that could trigger a bad/fatal reaction to Covid

Which is your prerogative and you have every right to do so. I disagree with you on this, however, as you say, each to their own

As it should be. Happy to take other folks opinions on board, still not convinced the roll out down the ages was necessary, nor the overburdening measures taken.   

Can't be arsed working it out, but I reckon if you look at the death rates for the vaccinated and unvaccinated then you'll get all the evidence you need.

Very easy to come up with an alternative view, but without a parallel universe with which to see exactly what would have happened without the vaccine programme, there can be no definitive evidence for it.

My neighbour's relative is in for an operation on his hands soon. He had covid fairly early in all this, spent months in hospital and has been left with damage to them requiring surgery.

This is about far more than just survival and death.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Can't be arsed working it out, but I reckon if you look at the death rates for the vaccinated and unvaccinated then you'll get all the evidence you need.

Not posted on here for a while... 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

Page 47

A brief skim confirms what I thought, though some simple graphs would suffice at times.

U-Turn on mandatory vaccines for NHS staff?

Correct decision if true

4 minutes ago, L/H White said:

U-Turn on mandatory vaccines for NHS staff?

Correct decision if true

Agreed. 

Didn't agree with it anyway (no surprises) but even less so now all restrictions are lifted. 

I was all for it but have changed my mind simply as the numbers of those unwilling are too large.

Not that I think they are right of course.

However, we are now into a much milder variant (even if there is still worryingly large amounts if folk GETTING DEAD from it) so maybe the consequence of people leaving the NHS would be greater than the possibility of them affecting patients.

4 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I was all for it but have changed my mind simply as the numbers of those unwilling are too large.

Not that I think they are right of course.

However, we are now into a much milder variant (even if there is still worryingly large amounts if folk GETTING DEAD from it) so maybe the consequence of people leaving the NHS would be greater than the possibility of them affecting patients.

And if next wave is a fucker?

One things for sure, theyve once again hung the emplyers out to dry