Slow news day, or end of the world?

”Aggressive” new variant has landed in Moscow. Makes people, even those that have been vaccinated, more poorly than previous types.

Time for Uncle Joe to push the button? Short term pain.

14 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

That's a non sequitur.

We are discussing a new virus.

 

It's also something that I'm on record of saying that I oppose. 

I think mandatory vaccines plays into the hands of people who are anti vax.

I just think those people choosing not to protect their patients to the best of their ability should be made face the consequences of their actions. Where clear evidence exists. 

The same way I would if - I decided I decided to ignore some other evidence based safety measures, like washing my hands before I removed a central line. 

5 hours ago, L/H White said:

what are you and your colleagues who worked their absolute bollocks off being charged with when they worked through the initial wave with no vaccine and limited ppe, pretty certain it would have been passed on then, and now you're being forced to have it or lose your job?  Does that really sit right with you?

only the absolute nt jobs believe that, peoples issue now is being made to have it or lose your job, although the vaccine doesnt stop you passing it on. 

 

P.S, I've had my vaccine, so im no anti vaxer x

No it doesn't sit right with me. 

The vaccine does prevent you from passing COVID19 on. There's loads of data and studies to report this - and it's the same with the delta variant.

The evidence is less clear on Omicron. It's not that it doesn't help or it does help. It's just that the evidence is insufficient to draw any conclusions about just yet. 

If I was a betting man - I'd bet that it does!

The other problem with NHS staff not being vaccinated is the pressure it puts on the rest of the team when a couple of members decide not to have it and then go down with it! Shithouses! 

Was the rule only ever designed to push more into having it?

Would never admit it, but apparently the numbers went up when it was announced, so maybe it served its purpose.

I know the announcement yesterday included information around omicron being the predominant strain having an impact on the decision, but 95% jabbed is good.

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Was the rule only ever designed to push more into having it?

Would never admit it, but apparently the numbers went up when it was announced, so maybe it served its purpose.

I know the announcement yesterday included information around omicron being the predominant strain having an impact on the decision, but 95% jabbed is good.

Probably correct.

If a government realise that a position needs correcting it can be done, but slowly. Simply change contracts for new employees requiring them to accept any specific vaccine (or other) requirements that may arise during the employment. It will, however, take about 40 years to become effective, by which time there may well have been a couple more pandemics.

Over 500 covid deaths reported today, what the fuck?

On 01/02/2022 at 14:06, kent_white said:

No it doesn't sit right with me. 

The vaccine does prevent you from passing COVID19 on. There's loads of data and studies to report this - and it's the same with the delta variant.

The evidence is less clear on Omicron. It's not that it doesn't help or it does help. It's just that the evidence is insufficient to draw any conclusions about just yet. 

If I was a betting man - I'd bet that it does!

The other problem with NHS staff not being vaccinated is the pressure it puts on the rest of the team when a couple of members decide not to have it and then go down with it! Shithouses! 

It's rife with people who are vaccinated as well. 

Not an anti vaxxer,  I've had mine, but most if the UK is now vaccinated and its still being passed on... does the vaccine really stop it spreading? 

Sweden are still under a lot of restrictions I note with the due level of amusement.

4 hours ago, only1swanny said:

It's rife with people who are vaccinated as well. 

Not an anti vaxxer,  I've had mine, but most if the UK is now vaccinated and its still being passed on... does the vaccine really stop it spreading? 

Vaccines reduce the chance of contracting/spreading it. How can anyone not understand that at this stage?

16 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Vaccines reduce the chance of contracting/spreading it. How can anyone not understand that at this stage?

To be fair, that post was in response to @kent_white claim that the vaccines prevent transmission.

6 hours ago, only1swanny said:

It's rife with people who are vaccinated as well. 

Not an anti vaxxer,  I've had mine, but most if the UK is now vaccinated and its still being passed on... does the vaccine really stop it spreading? 

Yes it does. But that's only part of why the vaccine is useful. Arguably the most important part is that it stops people who contract it from becoming seriously ill. 

My middle daughter has caught it again, five weeks after having it. Her sisters haven't and no one else in the family has either.

 

I feel decidedly unwell and know for a fact I was with 3 people last Friday who have since tested positive.

The rules are that I don’t need to test for 10 weeks after having had it so I’m just going to cough and moan a lot instead.

42 minutes ago, Spider said:

I feel decidedly unwell and know for a fact I was with 3 people last Friday who have since tested positive.

The rules are that I don’t need to test for 10 weeks after having had it so I’m just going to cough and moan a lot instead.

Presumably the rules also state that you need to isolate again if you have it though?

 

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Presumably the rules also state that you need to isolate again if you have it though?

 

I’m just tired 😉

23 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’m just tired 😉

Is that you Mounts?

1 hour ago, Spider said:

I feel decidedly unwell and know for a fact I was with 3 people last Friday who have since tested positive.

The rules are that I don’t need to test for 10 weeks after having had it so I’m just going to cough and moan a lot instead.

What about Ethel. 

Selfish bastard 

1 hour ago, Spider said:

 

The rules are that I don’t need to test for 10 weeks after having had it so I’m just going to moan a lot.

Fancy.

 

😁

54 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Fancy.

 

😁

See Brexit 🥰

I know loads of people who have had it recently.

I don’t know loads of people who have been ill with it recently.

Thats the difference to me.

Anyone watch Question Time last night? They had asked for anti/non vaxers to come on. The first guy makes a total cock of himself, the woman not much better but in a much more considered way. 'I have a degree in Philosophy and that taught me.......'

The scientist is trying not to laugh. 

By pretty much staying self-isolated my 85yo mum has managed to avoid Covid. She had a fall last Sunday and has had hip surgery at BGH. A week in there and she's got the fucking virus. 

16 hours ago, MickyD said:

By pretty much staying self-isolated my 85yo mum has managed to avoid Covid. She had a fall last Sunday and has had hip surgery at BGH. A week in there and she's got the fucking virus. 

I hope she’s ok mate 

18 hours ago, MickyD said:

By pretty much staying self-isolated my 85yo mum has managed to avoid Covid. She had a fall last Sunday and has had hip surgery at BGH. A week in there and she's got the fucking virus. 

Don't tell me that. Mrs. Fogarty had a fall a couple of weeks ago in Spain. She's due to go in RBH on Wednesday for surgery to her busted arm.

 

Stopping the need to isolate after testing positive seems really fucking odd to me.

40 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Stopping the need to isolate after testing positive seems really fucking odd to me.

Herd immunity 🙌