Slow news day, or end of the world?

”Aggressive” new variant has landed in Moscow. Makes people, even those that have been vaccinated, more poorly than previous types.

Time for Uncle Joe to push the button? Short term pain.

6 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I was all for it but have changed my mind simply as the numbers of those unwilling are too large.

Not that I think they are right of course.

However, we are now into a much milder variant (even if there is still worryingly large amounts if folk GETTING DEAD from it) so maybe the consequence of people leaving the NHS would be greater than the possibility of them affecting patients.

If the possibility of them affecting patients was the real issue they should have been taken off the front line ASAP. 

1 minute ago, Casino said:

And if next wave is a fucker?

One things for sure, theyve once again hung the emplyers out to dry

Fair point.

Even worse for care homes, they have lost loads of staff already.

1 minute ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

If the possibility of them affecting patients was the real issue they should have been taken off the front line ASAP. 

This was also my thinking but staff shortages are enormous. I am talking seriously dangerous levels across all aspects of social and clinical care.

We cannot fulfill anywhere near the amount of vacancies thst urgently need filling.

13 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

If the possibility of them affecting patients was the real issue they should have been taken off the front line ASAP. 

Correct, you can't have them working through the height of it with no vaccine and no PPE then tell them to get a vaccine or lose your job. Get in the sea 

Again, unless I've missed something, the vaccine doesn't stop you passing the virus on

14 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

If the possibility of them affecting patients was the real issue they should have been taken off the front line ASAP. 

You can pass on infection if vaccinated. 

Less likely to pass covid if vaccinated, also your symptoms are likely to be less severe than an unvaccinated person, which I guess would mean less time off work should someone get it. (Once we learn to live with it and remove all restrictions) 

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Less likely to pass covid if vaccinated, also your symptoms are likely to be less severe than an unvaccinated person, which I guess would mean less time off work should someone get it. (Once we learn to live with it and remove all restrictions) 

Anecdotal... The only people (bar the Mrs) I know who've took time off for covid have been vaccinated. Mainly 2 days off post vaccines. 

Then a week off when they've got omicron. 

On a par with furlough shaggers... 

EDIT: and teachers when it snows 

Edited January 31, 20224 yr by stevieb

36 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You can pass on infection if vaccinated. 

Tell Boris. 

4 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Anecdotal... The only people (bar the Mrs) I know who've took time off for covid have been vaccinated. Mainly 2 days off post vaccines. 

Then a week off when they've got omicron. 

On a par with furlough shaggers... 

EDIT: and teachers when it snows 

I had two weeks off with Covid Hardman Delta Varient. Knocked me for six. Omicron was nothing at all for the missus when she got it recently (also had Delta and was bad)

Folk sometimes feel a bit shit after a jab but that is just your immune system doing its job and frankly some folk are soft as shite. How many do you know who have a mild cold that is supposed to be flu or even worse man flu?

Any non vaccinated NHS worker who picks up and passed on COVID to a vulnerable patient better get ready for a manslaughter charge. 

If some antivax bellend, nurses my Dad while he's in hospital with COPD and infects him with COVID then I'm going to take them to the fucking cleaners!

If a vaccinated NHS worker did the same thing - then they wouldn't be culpable in my eyes. They would have done everything that they reasonably could have.

I can't believe we're still even having a debate about vaccines. It's like trying to argue about climate change with Maggie Tate.

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Any non vaccinated NHS worker who picks up and passed on COVID to a vulnerable patient better get ready for a manslaughter charge. 

If some antivax bellend, nurses my Dad while he's in hospital with COPD and infects him with COVID then I'm going to take them to the fucking cleaners!

If a vaccinated NHS worker did the same thing - then they wouldn't be culpable in my eyes. They would have done everything that they reasonably could have.

I can't believe we're still even having a debate about vaccines. It's like trying to argue about climate change with Maggie Tate.

You doing the same with the flu jab pal? 

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Any non vaccinated NHS worker who picks up and passed on COVID to a vulnerable patient better get ready for a manslaughter charge. 

If some antivax bellend, nurses my Dad while he's in hospital with COPD and infects him with COVID then I'm going to take them to the fucking cleaners!

If a vaccinated NHS worker did the same thing - then they wouldn't be culpable in my eyes. They would have done everything that they reasonably could have.

I can't believe we're still even having a debate about vaccines. It's like trying to argue about climate change with Maggie Tate.

How do you prove it? Absolute nonsense. 

Edited January 31, 20224 yr by Mounts Kipper

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

How do you prove it? Absolute nonsense. 

You can't. 

 

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Any non vaccinated NHS worker who picks up and passed on COVID to a vulnerable patient better get ready for a manslaughter charge. 

If some antivax bellend, nurses my Dad while he's in hospital with COPD and infects him with COVID then I'm going to take them to the fucking cleaners!

If a vaccinated NHS worker did the same thing - then they wouldn't be culpable in my eyes. They would have done everything that they reasonably could have.

I can't believe we're still even having a debate about vaccines. It's like trying to argue about climate change with Maggie Tate.

You'd better have very deep pockets if you are going to go down that route, not a hope in hell you could ever win. 

Just now, Mr Grey said:

Covid-19 like Brexit has driven a big fat wedge through the UK, we are now an extremely divided country, nobody is wrong and nobody is right.

Unfortunately will be arguing amongst ourselves for years to come.

It’s safe to say People who say the vaccines don’t work are wrong. 

24 minutes ago, stevieb said:

You doing the same with the flu jab pal? 

Yes - I'd do the same quite happily

Some moron in the NHS, not having a flu jab and then passing it on to an old person who subsequently dies should be tried for manslaughter.

Mounts is right though, sadly, you couldn't prove it. So it would be unworkable. But that granny will still be dead nonetheless. 

Absolutely reprehensible as far as I'm concerned.

18 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Covid-19 like Brexit has driven a big fat wedge through the UK, we are now an extremely divided country, nobody is wrong and nobody is right.

That's not true if you're talking about vaccines. There's a very clear wrong and right on that one. And anybody who says otherwise hasn't really read the literature.

3 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

There are lots of other things associated with covid were people will be divided on. 

There is no doubt its split the country and there's no doubt people will be arguing about it for years.

That's true. 

I imagine it's the same all over the world.

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Yes - I'd do the same quite happily

Some moron in the NHS, not having a flu jab and then passing it on to an old person who subsequently dies should be tried for manslaughter.

Mounts is right though, sadly, you couldn't prove it. So it would be unworkable. But that granny will still be dead nonetheless. 

Absolutely reprehensible as far as I'm concerned.

How many NHS staff refuse the flu jab every year would you be sacking... Out of interest? 

1 hour ago, stevieb said:

How many NHS staff refuse the flu jab every year would you be sacking... Out of interest? 

That's a non sequitur.

We are discussing a new virus.

 

7 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

That's a non sequitur.

We are discussing a new virus.

 

The new virus that killed like flu or the new variant of the virus that is mild as a cold? 

1 hour ago, stevieb said:

The new virus that killed like flu or the new variant of the virus that is mild as a cold? 

What are you basing that on? The original covid strains killed a lot more than flu and whilst omicron is a lot milder it is still killing more than the common cold.

11 hours ago, kent_white said:

Any non vaccinated NHS worker who picks up and passed on COVID to a vulnerable patient better get ready for a manslaughter charge. 

 

what are you and your colleagues who worked their absolute bollocks off being charged with when they worked through the initial wave with no vaccine and limited ppe, pretty certain it would have been passed on then, and now you're being forced to have it or lose your job?  Does that really sit right with you?

10 hours ago, royal white said:

It’s safe to say People who say the vaccines don’t work are wrong. 

only the absolute nt jobs believe that, peoples issue now is being made to have it or lose your job, although the vaccine doesnt stop you passing it on. 

 

P.S, I've had my vaccine, so im no anti vaxer x

13 minutes ago, L/H White said:

what are you and your colleagues who worked their absolute bollocks off being charged with when they worked through the initial wave with no vaccine and limited ppe, pretty certain it would have been passed on then, and now you're being forced to have it or lose your job?  Does that really sit right with you?

only the absolute nt jobs believe that, peoples issue now is being made to have it or lose your job, although the vaccine doesnt stop you passing it on. 

 

P.S, I've had my vaccine, so im no anti vaxer x

The NHS would be totally fucked without you mate

Just now, Sweep said:

The NHS would be totally fucked without you mate

means a lot coming from a man like you x