Meanwhile In England

[Ani]

26 minutes ago, 1969 said:

So why didn't they do this in Leeds?

Harehills is a council estate , there were people off the estate kicking off and others from the estate trying to stop the trouble. The Police going in would have escalated it 

Southport was people from outside the area who turned up and were attacking properties in a town that had had enough shit this week to last a lifetime

Yesterday was a March though the Capitol which broke away from its agreed route, the Police told them to disperse , they ignored this and after being warned were 'kettled' and then arrested. There are different laws went you start marching towards Downing Street and Parliament , hence why Tommys organised event last week passed off peacefully as they followed the rules, last night the hot heads lost control. 
 

If you do not like the powers the Police have around London especially you need to contact the last Govt who increased the powers. 
 

Strange people can see difference between Manc airport and last night but not between the 3 incidents above. 

[masi 51]

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I completely agree mate

 I always said it was a worrying aspect of the new policing bill brought in by the Tories. But not enough people on both sides resisted it though. It was only really those on the left that spoke out. So it came in under most people’s noses.

And now it’s the law. 
 

 

I am neither on the left or what is classed as the right, but me like millions of normal working people are saying enough is enough.

If it was a isolated case you could maybe leave it up to the law to take its course but it is not.

What happened in Queens Park in our home town should never be brushed under the carpet, Lee Rigby next town from us

Manchester Arena, Southport...........People like me and level headed people who i work/drink with are turning to the right.

Tommy Robinson, Enoch Powell even Oscar Wilde all warned us

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I can understand the large number of officers being deployed, given the numbers injures previously, and a desire to stop things getting worse.

What doesn't help though are the optics of rioters at Rochdale police station doing the same, yet the authorities don't talk about the full force of the law, but instead dialogue with community leaders.

Whatever the exact nature of the situations are, there do seem to be very different policing approaches. 

Not sure how well that holds up. Was there any violence at the Rochdale protests directed at police? It was tense no doubt but not sure why the police would wade into that situation and why that would have helped. Keep an eye and wait for the truth to emerge seems the right approach there. 

Happy to be proven wrong if so. But seems it was more people gathering, albeit looking a bit like muppets afterwards because they didn't know the full story. Reading the quotes now with hindsight, I'm surprised more of these public figures haven't come out and apologised. Galloway had a lot to say! 

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

Harehills is a council estate , there were people off the estate kicking off and others from the estate trying to stop the trouble. The Police going in would have escalated it 

Southport was people from outside the area who turned up and were attacking properties in a town that had had enough shit this week to last a lifetime

Yesterday was a March though the Capitol which broke away from its agreed route, the Police told them to disperse , they ignored this and after being warned were 'kettled' and then arrested. There are different laws went you start marching towards Downing Street and Parliament , hence why Tommys organised event last week passed off peacefully as they followed the rules, last night the hot heads lost control. 
 

If you do not like the powers the Police have around London especially you need to contact the last Govt who increased the powers. 
 

Strange people can see difference between Manc airport and last night but not between the 3 incidents above. 

spot on 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

I am neither on the left or what is classed as the right, but me like millions of normal working people are saying enough is enough.

If it was a isolated case you could maybe leave it up to the law to take its course but it is not.

What happened in Queens Park in our home town should never be brushed under the carpet, Lee Rigby next town from us

Manchester Arena, Southport...........People like me and level headed people who i work/drink with are turning to the right.

Tommy Robinson, Enoch Powell even Oscar Wilde all warned us

This makes literally no sense because they are all, individual isolated cases.

We could draw a list up of horrendous crimes committed by white English men and say ‘enough is enough’ we’ve all been warned and when is someone going to do something?

Are we going to simply list crimes by people who aren’t white English Christian’s and say ‘they are linked’? 

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

I am neither on the left or what is classed as the right, but me like millions of normal working people are saying enough is enough.

If it was a isolated case you could maybe leave it up to the law to take its course but it is not.

What happened in Queens Park in our home town should never be brushed under the carpet, Lee Rigby next town from us

Manchester Arena, Southport...........People like me and level headed people who i work/drink with are turning to the right.

Tommy Robinson, Enoch Powell even Oscar Wilde all warned us

Fair enough mate. 

I agree that these things should not be brushed under the carpet. Not sure why you're citing Southport though, because we don't yet know the full details. Maybe it will be racism or Islamist. But let's wait and see first no? 

Regardless, there are serious issues that need addressing. I think our government recognises the need to prevent the boats coming over and have a more balanced immigration policy. We are also coming down harsher on hate preachers and shutting down centres that preach hate. It's not like nothing at all is being done. The government will be held to account if these problems become much worse, democracy is how to do that & peaceful protest. Not attacking mosques and migrant hotels ffs. Seeing Reform MPs spreading rumours about hotels is hugely worrying at a time when people are angry. 

On your last comment. Millions of people may be saying enough is enough. But millions more of us will never subscribe to the divisive & hypocritical views of Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell. Fck them. They aren't the solution. 

Edited August 1, 2024 by London Wanderer

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

This makes literally no sense because they are all, individual isolated cases.

We could draw a list up of horrendous crimes committed by white English men and say ‘enough is enough’ we’ve all been warned and when is someone going to do something?

Are we going to simply list crimes by people who aren’t white English Christian’s and say ‘they are linked’? 

And your response sums up why people are fucked off, the guy makes a reasonable post highlighting the position, bits I do not agree but he puts fwad reasonable points that would be very similar to what my 25 year old step son would make and you say he makes 'literally no sense' which basically means you will never be able to help deliver a solution because people who think differently make 'no sense' . I usually agree with stuff you post but the dismissive attitude to others is a major part of the problem. 

[royal white]

100 arrests in London last night (that Trump has a lot to answer for) 

 

1 arrest was made after this riot.

 

[Whitestar]

27 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Tommy Robinson, Enoch Powell even Oscar Wilde all warned us

Exactly!!, but people don't want to hear "I told you so" Britain has been sleepwalking into this since the 70s.

Last night on channel 4 (might have been a repeat) a documentary "catch a killer".

I said to my wife that i didn't think they would be allowed to show this tonight, she was like why?, well you know the whole country is ready to explode and they showcase a Somali gang in Slough or somewhere, committing a violent murder.

She was like yeah and?

It was as if they want to encourage this explosion, lts like watching a TV version of the Mail on Sunday.

We were warned.

 

Edited August 1, 2024 by Whitestar
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[rochdale white]

1 hour ago, 1969 said:

So why didn't they do this in Leeds?

The Leeds was spontaneous. They went in to take the children from the family and it’s gone off straight after.

 

Southport the other night they knew what was coming hours in advance given the posts on social media, giving them time to get more resources on and police officers to have the right kit available like shields and helmets. 

[Duck Egg]

I was watching footage last night of brave patriots assaulting some random brown lad who was just passing by and interrupting their boozing, looting and brick chucking.

Raise concerns re immigration or Islam by all means but no ones going to take you seriously or think you're anything but racist gobshites, if you're ruining vigils, attacking coppers and non white folk or kicking off in Downing St. 

 

[London Wanderer]

19 minutes ago, royal white said:

100 arrests in London last night (that Trump has a lot to answer for) 

 

1 arrest was made after this riot.

 

Again, as others a pointing out, it's a very different situation to the Downing Street and Southport protest, which requires different policing. 

I assume it took them by surprise. And yes maybe more should have been done. But you seem to be implying that they didn't do enough because they aren't white? Which doesn't add up. Look at the context they're policing in before jumping to the 'two tier' accusation. 

Hartlepool saw a similar scale of violence last night, but took the police by surprise more than Southport or Downing Street. So only 8 arrests were made and it was harder to contain and make mass arrests. But you're conveniently ignoring that. 

I guess blaming the dark rioters is easier than condoning the braindead morons we have in our own midst. But it doesn't fit the narrative that immigrants are responsible for a breakdown in law and order.

[only1swanny]

49 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

 

Tommy Robinson, Enoch Powell even Oscar Wilde all warned us

 

Detest when people quote Enoch Powell as some variant of Tsar on all this, sacked for his comments back in the day and the speech was aimed immigrants from being treated fairly (Race relations act), 

 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Ani said:

And your response sums up why people are fucked off, the guy makes a reasonable post highlighting the position, bits I do not agree but he puts fwad reasonable points that would be very similar to what my 25 year old step son would make and you say he makes 'literally no sense' which basically means you will never be able to help deliver a solution because people who think differently make 'no sense' . I usually agree with stuff you post but the dismissive attitude to others is a major part of the problem. 

It doesn’t because just listing ‘crimes’ and saying ‘enough is enough’ isn’t specifying enough of what? Unless you mean ‘crime’ which then becomes a rather big point and committing crimes to protest against crimes seems a stretch.

The things listed don’t have relation. The Manchester bombing and Lee Rigby were both linked to Islamic extremism - sure. I think we can all say we’ve had enough of that. Both committed by British citizens, one born a Christian and a convert.

Queens park was a woman from Albania with mental health issues. Granted asylum here. So I assume immigration is the issue here. Or is it mental health?

Southport of what we know is again someone born here - we do not know their religion. 
 

So I’m struggling to see this big overarching thread that is ‘we’ve had enough of something’ using the examples listed. Less what someone ‘wants done about it’. If the link was Islamic extremism I could get what some might want done. But it isn’t across these cases. If it was mental health…but again we don’t know about Southport but the one case involving that isn’t linked to the others. Only one of these seemingly involves immigration too. 

I’m not trying to be dismissive I’m simply not sure what the link between all these things are?

[deeane Koontz]

Just now, Duck Egg said:

I was watching footage last night of brave patriots assaulting some random brown lad who was just passing by and interrupting their boozing, looting and brick chucking.

Raise concerns re immigration or Islam by all means but no ones going to take you seriously or think you're anything but racist gobshites, if you're ruining vigils, attacking coppers and non white folk or kicking off in Downing St. 

 

Horrible that. Hopefully that cunt gets caught.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, only1swanny said:

 

Detest when people quote Enoch Powell as some variant of Tsar on all this, sacked for his comments back in the day and the speech was aimed immigrants from being treated fairly (Race relations act), 

 

He made his speech before that act came into being.

Controversial of course, and certainly questionable. 

However, there was more than a scintilla of accuracy.

[only1swanny]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He made his speech before that act came into being.

Controversial of course, and certainly questionable. 

However, there was more than a scintilla of accuracy.

Before the act, after the initial bill. 

People focusing on the atrocities done by "Minorities" are also forgetting that there is a hell of a lot of things done by British people at the same time. 

I'll admit there is an issue to have clear divides growing in the country, but people are going about it the wrong way. 

[royal white]

29 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Again, as others a pointing out, it's a very different situation to the Downing Street and Southport protest, which requires different policing. 

I assume it took them by surprise. And yes maybe more should have been done. But you seem to be implying that they didn't do enough because they aren't white? Which doesn't add up. Look at the context they're policing in before jumping to the 'two tier' accusation. 

Hartlepool saw a similar scale of violence last night, but took the police by surprise more than Southport or Downing Street. So only 8 arrests were made and it was harder to contain and make mass arrests. But you're conveniently ignoring that. 

I guess blaming the dark rioters is easier than condoning the braindead morons we have in our own midst. But it doesn't fit the narrative that immigrants are responsible for a breakdown in law and order.

1 arrest. 

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

1 arrest. 

Not really a figure that proves your point though is it? 

Innocent people at a Mosque attacked; over 50 coppers requiring treatment; mass vandalism and foreigners being violently assaulted no reason. The list could go on couldn't it. 

We all know that 'non-British/leftie' groups have had violent protests before as well. But it's not really the point. Your response seems to be well what about the other side, let's all turn our attention to Farage having a rant on Gbeebies. 

There's often calls that Muslim communities aren't doing enough to condone issues in their own community. So maybe we need to take a closer look at the morons in 'our' community right now, rather than bringing the issue back round to the other side. Because let's be honest, the past two days have been pretty fcking horrendous no? 

[London Wanderer]

45 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

I was watching footage last night of brave patriots assaulting some random brown lad who was just passing by and interrupting their boozing, looting and brick chucking.

Raise concerns re immigration or Islam by all means but no ones going to take you seriously or think you're anything but racist gobshites, if you're ruining vigils, attacking coppers and non white folk or kicking off in Downing St. 

 

Aye

People keep talking about 'why' they are out protesting as well. Which is fair enough. Though I have to be honest, their actions over the last two days makes me wonder what kind of shite they must be subscribing to online. Or is this 'The Truth' that Tommy Robinson talks about away from MSM? 
 

Only distancing people from their 'cause' and doing themselves no favours. 

Do these gangs operating the channel do a return service for some of our lot? 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Not really a figure that proves your point though is it? 

Innocent people at a Mosque attacked; over 50 coppers requiring treatment; mass vandalism and foreigners being violently assaulted no reason. The list could go on couldn't it. 

We all know that 'non-British/leftie' groups have had violent protests before as well. But it's not really the point. Your response seems to be well what about the other side, let's all turn our attention to Farage having a rant on Gbeebies. 

There's often calls that Muslim communities aren't doing enough to condone issues in their own community. So maybe we need to take a closer look at the morons in 'our' community right now, rather than bringing the issue back round to the other side. Because let's be honest, the past two days have been pretty fcking horrendous no? 

My point? I’m pointing out that one arrest from that Is pathetic. Do you honestly think only one person (a 15 year old boy at that) should have been arrested? 

[wakey]

45 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

It doesn’t because just listing ‘crimes’ and saying ‘enough is enough’ isn’t specifying enough of what? Unless you mean ‘crime’ which then becomes a rather big point and committing crimes to protest against crimes seems a stretch.

The things listed don’t have relation. The Manchester bombing and Lee Rigby were both linked to Islamic extremism - sure. I think we can all say we’ve had enough of that. Both committed by British citizens, one born a Christian and a convert.

Queens park was a woman from Albania with mental health issues. Granted asylum here. So I assume immigration is the issue here. Or is it mental health?

Southport of what we know is again someone born here - we do not know their religion. 
 

So I’m struggling to see this big overarching thread that is ‘we’ve had enough of something’ using the examples listed. Less what someone ‘wants done about it’. If the link was Islamic extremism I could get what some might want done. But it isn’t across these cases. If it was mental health…but again we don’t know about Southport but the one case involving that isn’t linked to the others. Only one of these seemingly involves immigration too. 

I’m not trying to be dismissive I’m simply not sure what the link between all these things are?

All a bit Father Ted - "down with this sort of thing".

[royal white]

53 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

I was watching footage last night of brave patriots assaulting some random brown lad who was just passing by and interrupting their boozing, looting and brick chucking.

Raise concerns re immigration or Islam by all means but no ones going to take you seriously or think you're anything but racist gobshites, if you're ruining vigils, attacking coppers and non white folk or kicking off in Downing St. 

 

All under the watchful eye of riot police some 30m away 

[Ani]

The people who attend protests either in Hartlepool, Southport or Gatwick airport this week are the extremes of each side and as a rule do not reflect the wider group.

So some prick taking a swing at some in Hartlepool does not represent everyone who is concerned about immigration. Equally you can think people disrupting folk going through an airport are wankers and still be worried about climate change. 
 

If you let the extremes drive your opinions or the debate you end up polarised. 

[Spider]

1 hour ago, Whitestar said:

Exactly!!, but people don't want to hear "I told you so" Britain has been sleepwalking into this since the 70s.

Last night on channel 4 (might have been a repeat) a documentary "catch a killer".

I said to my wife that i didn't think they would be allowed to show this tonight, she was like why?, well you know the whole country is ready to explode and they showcase a Somali gang in Slough or somewhere, committing a violent murder.

She was like yeah and?

It was as if they want to encourage this explosion, lts like watching a TV version of the Mail on Sunday.

We were warned.

 

Thanks for doing nothing to stop it.