6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

The sentence "voices ranging from Elon Musk to Kemi Badenoch" did make me think that is quite a narrow range. 

12 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The problem is this article is total bollocks. 

Is it?

Care to point out which bits?

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Is it?

Care to point out which bits?

I doubt there is any point tbh. If someone has genuinely been swept up in the rabbit hole of ‘this is an establishment cover up’ there isn’t much you can do.

We have historically as a country struggled to deal with massive CSA and CSE cases across hundreds of years. There are a multitude of factors for that. But it’s not a malicious and insidious establishment cover up. It’s mainly systems not in place to deal with it and people making mistakes. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I doubt there is any point tbh. If someone has genuinely been swept up in the rabbit hole of ‘this is an establishment cover up’ there isn’t much you can do.

We have historically as a country struggled to deal with massive CSA and CSE cases across hundreds of years. There are a multitude of factors for that. But it’s not a malicious and insidious establishment cover up. It’s mainly systems not in place to deal with it and people making mistakes. 

 

 

Someone?

It's written by the editor of The Telegraph, not some mushroom on X.

You carry on with your head in the sand.

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Someone?

It's written by the editor of The Telegraph, not some mushroom on X.

You carry on with your head in the sand.

Like others on here, he will mount a defence for the indefensible and deny vehemently that he is doing just that.

Could be interpreted as tacit support but I believe what drives apologists like him is the same thing which was the driver for police inaction over a many years.

Far worse to be labelled a 'racist' than being labelled a failure at your job.

10 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Someone?

It's written by the editor of The Telegraph, not some mushroom on X.

You carry on with your head in the sand.

The editor of the telegraph precisely. He failed to mention that the Tory party refused multiple inquiry requests. He wasn’t so keen on the establishment cover up line then. There are a great many failings and you can read about them across numerous reviews. But there is no conspiracy. 

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

But there is no conspiracy. 

How do you know?

Just now, gonzo said:

How do you know?

Because it isn’t how systems work.

We all know police forces didn’t do their jobs and some of the reasons for that is because they didn’t want to be accused of racism and they struggled to investigate closed communities in which they had no real relation.

If you want the fundamental underlying reason why we fail as a country with CSA and CSE and SA in general it’s because we don’t automatically start from the point of believing victims. Once you do that it changes systemically. That’s why these sort of things fall apart. And whilst the police are at fault for that. And in some cases cultural sensitivity. Most of it is a societal problem. If we instead said that we automatically believed as a matter of course those who claim to have suffered SA we’d have a far better chance of tackling it. The same underlying reason is what protected coaches in football and other sports, Saville, teachers, the church and grooming gangs. We say ‘sure but how can we be sure you are believable?’. 

However this will be a pointless discussion so I will bow out here. 

Whatabout 

Whatabout

Whatabout 

54 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Is it?

Care to point out which bits?

What do think the article is suggesting?

27 minutes ago, gonzo said:

How do you know?

Sadly, evidence is now emerging that in some quarters, folk did prioritise their careers/votes and the avoidance of the racist card at the expense of the victims.

It had pervaded for years, amongst both major parties and beyond.

The last government did have a inquiry, but it was a broad one, with little depth into this specific area.

Apparently, there have been specific inquiries into similar events within the church for example. 

Perhaps it is time for one; though it would no doubt take for ever, and reveal what folk pretty much already know. That's assuming the judge in charge was completely free froma vested interest.

 

27 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Whatabout 

Whatabout

Whatabout 

It may well have been and apologies if it was, but was this even mentioned on here?

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23838830.bolton-men-facing-child-sex-charges-split-2-trials/ 

Very well said.

Anyone who thinks Starmer covered up for grooming gangs because he in some way thinks it’s ok, is off their fucking box.

Hes a dull as shit, methodical legal cunt. Unfortunately, to get justice properly nowadays you have to keep things under wraps because - as we’ve seen with Tommy fucking Robinson - having morons getting involved on social media simply gives the defendants a chance to wriggle out of charges.

Look at Manchester airport. There were lynch mobs ready to go and burn mosques down before any arrests had been made. But charges have been brought and the coppers released. Patience won.

Justice is slow, because it has to be. Thorough, watertight, indisputable.

Imagine The furore if these fucking grooming scum had got off on a technicality, because Yaxley-Lennon had made some evidence public.

I get that we want these cunts locked up forever, we all do. But interference just fucks it up.

Starmer and his sort are slow, they’re tedious, but they get the results.

Musk and Trump getting involved helps no one.

If you’re happy being dictated to by an car builder and an Orange hoover bag full of custard, then that’s up to you.

But I prefer British sovereignty because I’m a proper patriot, not a lapdog to yank wankers.

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This is my thing with Keir. I can understand why might see him as a bit dull (think John Majorlike) - but I'll never understand how he manages to make so many people angry. Presumably they would be equally angry no matter who was in charge if that person was a red. 

I used to have a lot of time for Musk when he was doing interesting things like SpaceX - but he seems to be hell bent on abusing his power and position the longer he goes on. He's another dangerous fucker - and I can absolutely see why DT has got in bed with him. 

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

This is my thing with Keir. I can understand why might see him as a bit dull (think John Majorlike) - but I'll never understand how he manages to make so many people angry. Presumably they would be equally angry no matter who was in charge if that person was a red. 

I used to have a lot of time for Musk when he was doing interesting things like SpaceX - but he seems to be hell bent on abusing his power and position the longer he goes on. He's another dangerous fucker - and I can absolutely see why DT has got in bed with him. 

Half of it is him keeping Twitter front and centre. He’s obviously realised that tweeting about Skynet doesn’t get people fizzing in the same way grooming gangs do.

It’s lowest common denominator stuff as usual and he’s pitched it just right.

anyone thinking he gives a shit beyond his own “hip pocket nerve” is a blustering imbecile. Anyway, this vortex of fury will eventually eat itself. He’s already got Farage to the vinegars then zipped his pants up.

 

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Anyone who thinks Starmer covered up for grooming gangs because he in some way thinks it’s ok, is off their fucking box.

Hes a dull as shit, methodical legal cunt. Unfortunately, to get justice properly nowadays you have to keep things under wraps because - as we’ve seen with Tommy fucking Robinson - having morons getting involved on social media simply gives the defendants a chance to wriggle out of charges.

Look at Manchester airport. There were lynch mobs ready to go and burn mosques down before any arrests had been made. But charges have been brought and the coppers released. Patience won.

Justice is slow, because it has to be. Thorough, watertight, indisputable.

Imagine The furore if these fucking grooming scum had got off on a technicality, because Yaxley-Lennon had made some evidence public.

I get that we want these cunts locked up forever, we all do. But interference just fucks it up.

Starmer and his sort are slow, they’re tedious, but they get the results.

Musk and Trump getting involved helps no one.

If you’re happy being dictated to by an car builder and an Orange hoover bag full of custard, then that’s up to you.

But I prefer British sovereignty because I’m a proper patriot, not a lapdog to yank wankers.

That’s not what they are really alleging though. They are saying the entire British establishment, including multiple governments across multiple parties deliberately and knowingly covered up CSE because they wanted to promote multiculturalism. That would involve a number of PMs, including, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and Johnson. Numberous Home Secretaries, chief of police, police leaders, DPPs….the list goes on.

Its of course politically expedient nonsense the sort of base lies that were used by far right populists historically. 
 

The records of people in office are open and available. Starmer as an example did more for victims than any previous DPP had done.

But let’s be honest when Johnson said historic investigations into child sexual abuse was ‘spaffing money up the wall’ there was not a single peep out of all these people. Not one. Not a telegraph editorial. Or a times lead. Nothing.

51 minutes ago, kent_white said:

This is my thing with Keir. I can understand why might see him as a bit dull (think John Majorlike) - but I'll never understand how he manages to make so many people angry. Presumably they would be equally angry no matter who was in charge if that person was a red. 

I used to have a lot of time for Musk when he was doing interesting things like SpaceX - but he seems to be hell bent on abusing his power and position the longer he goes on. He's another dangerous fucker - and I can absolutely see why DT has got in bed with him. 

Starmer represents the centre of politics and given we’ve seen an online drift to extremes on both sides he makes a lot of the permanently online social media lot angry on either side. That is the long and short of it.

Hes a fascist according to the left and a commie according to the right. 

8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Starmer represents the centre of politics and given we’ve seen an online drift to extremes on both sides he makes a lot of the permanently online social media lot angry on either side. That is the long and short of it.

Hes a fascist according to the left and a commie according to the right. 

I think he's doing alright, given the vitriol. 

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think he's doing alright, given the vitriol. 

I think that there have been missteps and errors. My main concern is whether he and his team really understand the political threat out there. We are on the brink of extremism and a lot of what he’s doing is solid stuff but it’s all individual small stuff that they aren’t joining together for folk. He’s not selling a broad vision. So it’s one policy - another thing here. Managerialism - which I think is his style. It’s good in terms of changing stuff and getting stuff done and light years from the last 14 years but I worry that it is not ever going to cut through because he’s very much technocrat rather than ‘big vision’ salesman.

Sunak tried this and it failed. Major tried it and it failed. Brown to an extent resorted to deliverism too. May. The list goes on. Whilst I would sympathise that it’s the choice they’ve been left with I do think they could sort out some presentational stuff and articulate some bolder stuff that their incremental changes contribute to. 

 

6 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The problem is this article is total bollocks. 

Gullible people will parrot any old nonsense. Joe Rogan will probably talk about it on his podcast soon, and act shocked even though it's absolute bullshit, and his listeners will lap it up.

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by Cheese

New Archbishop today... is he any good?

26 minutes ago, Dimron said:

New Archbishop today... is he any good?

I've heard he's one of the top prayers in the UK. Always gives 110%, performs to both sides of the pew, tracks back to Genesis - a real pulpit to nave sort. 

31 minutes ago, Dimron said:

New Archbishop today... is he any good?

Ask the former choir boys. 

The Day Today is reality now.

Edited January 6, 20251 yr by Cheese