Meanwhile In England

[gonzo]

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

So you see humour in this situation? An interesting take.

 

Stating facts apparently 🤦‍♂️

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

It was quite ironic/humorous timing that he was called straight after Starmer's statement about "fraudsters, grifters, and con artists" though. And Farage's question was pathetic. Moaning about a problem he helped cause, whilst blaming the French.

Yep, clearly set up as Starmer knows the questions in advance. 
Safe to say, a few thousand more Reform voters in the bag. It ain’t a forum debate, it’s our elected leaders debating. 

[Casino]

36 minutes ago, DazBob said:

But making a joke about 56 people burning to death inside a football stadium is ok?

Typo

[peelyfeet]

32 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Where is the concern for the victims?

As long as the scumbag who did it is at large, those girls can have absolutely no justice, and may have all sorts of ptsd type problems bubbling up again.

Perhaps a few more to join the list whilst the evil scum is free.

Ah, but fuck it, there's nothing we can do about it, and anyone reporting on and discussing it, is just being racist and doing it for clicks.

Not only is this attitude part of the problem, but it is contributing to the increase in separation between communities, which will only strengthen those beliefs and attitudes at odds with basic, decent British values. 

That happens to involve predominantly Muslims, although not solely, that's the reality, and if some decide that that fact equates to racism then tough shit. Get over it.

Interestingly there is currently live coverage of a dinghy crossing the Channel. French naval patrol boat just behind it.

Mr Macron's amazing "clamp down" during his visit didn't last long.

I'm being critical of dumbed down articles written by sensationalist outlets who fail to tell their readers the reason why the story is back in the news. They do this because they rely on ad revenue clickbait for their income instead of informative  journalism.

Their coverage on this is designed to create rage in their readership, it's not designed to do anything that will help get the scumbag deported, help the girls  or inform the readers of the progression of the case. 

Theyre making money out of fools.

According to the Times, child sexual abuse offences committed by groups (2 or more) account for 3.7% of those recorded. Grooming gangs account for 0.6%.

Of that 0.6%, 23% are comitted by ethnic minorities..

Even if they're all muslim, which they won't be, this means for every 1,000 child sexual abuse cases 998 of them are not committed by muslim grooming gangs.

 

Wouldn't think so by the % of comments that appear to be pointed in their direction would you?

 

I wonder what influence the gutter press has on this phenomenon?

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

I'm being critical of dumbed down articles written by sensationalist outlets who fail to tell their readers the reason why the story is back in the news. They do this because they rely on ad revenue clickbait for their income instead of informative  journalism.

Their coverage on this is designed to create rage in their readership, it's not designed to do anything that will help get the scumbag deported, help the girls  or inform the readers of the progression of the case. 

Theyre making money out of fools.

According to the Times, child sexual abuse offences committed by groups (2 or more) account for 3.7% of those recorded. Grooming gangs account for 0.6%.

Of that 0.6%, 23% are comitted by ethnic minorities..

Even if they're all muslim, which they won't be, this means for every 1,000 child sexual abuse cases 998 of them are not committed by muslim grooming gangs.

 

Wouldn't think so by the % of comments that appear to be pointed in their direction would you?

 

I wonder what influence the gutter press has on this phenomenon?

What about the ones that were reported and no action taken? The crux of the National Inquiry. GMP are currently looking into 1000 cases of historical grooming gang suspects. 
Ps. Not GB news or the Daily Mail.

[peelyfeet]

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

So you see humour in this situation? An interesting take.

 

I see humour in people getting wound up by a daily mail article.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

I see humour in people getting wound up by a daily mail article.

It’s you who keeps mentioning the Daily Mail. 

[gonzo]

10 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

I'm being critical of dumbed down articles written by sensationalist outlets who fail to tell their readers the reason why the story is back in the news. They do this because they rely on ad revenue clickbait for their income instead of informative  journalism.

Their coverage on this is designed to create rage in their readership, it's not designed to do anything that will help get the scumbag deported, help the girls  or inform the readers of the progression of the case. 

Theyre making money out of fools.

According to the Times, child sexual abuse offences committed by groups (2 or more) account for 3.7% of those recorded. Grooming gangs account for 0.6%.

Of that 0.6%, 23% are comitted by ethnic minorities..

Even if they're all muslim, which they won't be, this means for every 1,000 child sexual abuse cases 998 of them are not committed by muslim grooming gangs.

 

Wouldn't think so by the % of comments that appear to be pointed in their direction would you?

 

I wonder what influence the gutter press has on this phenomenon?

Whatabout Whatabout Whatabout.

Your kind of mentality is what allowed the problem to breed in the first place.

Head in the sand.

 

[peelyfeet]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

What about the ones that were reported and no action taken? The crux of the National Inquiry. GMP are currently looking into 1000 cases of historical grooming gang suspects. 
Ps. Not GB news or the Daily Mail.

Good. They'd still be a tiny minority mate. The overwhelming majority of sexual abuse is one on one, and the perpetrator is usually a relative or known friend, for adults its usually a partner or ex. Whatabout all those victims, the vast majority? How come the papers are full of a tiny % of cases? Do you think a sexual abuse victim cares about what ethnicity or type of abuser category their abuser falls into? I don't.

[peelyfeet]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s you who keeps mentioning the Daily Mail. 

Thats because the story is from the daily mail. Some other outlets published the update on the high level talks. But nobody seems very interested in that on here. Wonder why?

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

Good. They'd still be a tiny minority mate. The overwhelming majority of sexual abuse is one on one, and the perpetrator is usually a relative or known friend, for adults its usually a partner or ex. Whatabout all those victims, the vast majority? How come the papers are full of a tiny % of cases? Do you think a sexual abuse victim cares about what ethnicity or type of abuser category their abuser falls into? I don't.

Jesus Christ 

[peelyfeet]

14 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Whatabout Whatabout Whatabout.

Your kind of mentality is what allowed the problem to breed in the first place.

Head in the sand.

 

You're regurgitating clickbait mate. I think it's people like you who've got your head in the sand. My mentality is to not take daily mail articles at face value. Have a look on their front page. What amazing investigative stories have the got today?

 

P.s i was replying to a whataboutery argument, hence mine. 

Edited July 10, 2025 by peelyfeet

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

You're regurgitating clickbait mate. I think it's people like you who've got your head in the sand. My mentality is to not take daily mail articles at face value. Have a look on their front page. What amazing investigative stories have the got today?

 

P.s i was replying to a whataboutery argument, hence mine. 

I have never read the daily mail in my life.

I have however heard and read every single main news outlet reporting about an inquiry into a grooming gangs, mainly lead by Pakistani Muslim men.

You know the same grooming gangs that people spoke about at the time but were told its all exaggerated bollocks and there's more white paedophiles etc?

Look at where ignoring and downplaying the situation got us.

Are you saying the results of the latest and ongoing inquiry are wrong?

Are you saying Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs aren't or haven't been a major problem across towns in England?

 

[peelyfeet]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

I have never read the daily mail in my life.

I have however heard and read every single main news outlet reporting about an inquiry into a grooming gangs, mainly lead by Pakistani Muslim men.

You know the same grooming gangs that people spoke about at the time but were told its all exaggerated bollocks and there's more white paedophiles etc?

Look at where ignoring and downplaying the situation got us.

Are you saying the results of the latest and ongoing inquiry are wrong?

Are you saying Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs aren't or haven't been a major problem across towns in England?

 

The video that you posted is patrick christys parroting a Daily mail article. Thats what GBnews does. They react to stories published by outlets like the Daily Mail on their TV shows and over social media.

The data shows that there are vastly more paedophiles who arent in grooming gangs, than are in them, and because of demographic size, theyre mainly white british. Pakistani Grooming gangs are in the news because some police forces failed to follow up correctly for fear of being branded racist, and because they regarded some of the teenage girls involved to be prostitutes and criminals active in the enrolment of other girls.

This doesnt mean most paedos in the UK are muslim rape gangs. Theyre clearly not. And I think the gutter press prey on weaknesses that their readers have. Fear sells mate. Theyre not interested in you gaining  knowledge or investigative journalism that uncovers stuff, they're shysters selling tat.

[Zico]

Put simply

Peados of all varieties are able to do their thing because they aren't reported by the victims or anyone who knows about, OR, if they are not enough is done about it, until it's too late

There needs to be a system in place that gives people the confidence to come forward, report what's happening, and that it will be properly looked in to with a view to preventing it 

It's always the same old story

I suspect a lot of the time it's easier said than done in terms of both evidence and police resources 

But if enquiries help to improve the whole system moving forward then they should have as many as they can

Because  peadophiles and grooming gangs aren't going to just go away and will always get away with what they can

[peelyfeet]

11 minutes ago, Zico said:

Put simply

Peados of all varieties are able to do their thing because they aren't reported by the victims or anyone who knows about, OR, if they are not enough is done about it, until it's too late

There needs to be a system in place that gives people the confidence to come forward, report what's happening, and that it will be properly looked in to with a view to preventing it 

It's always the same old story

I suspect a lot of the time it's easier said than done in terms of both evidence and police resources 

But if enquiries help to improve the whole system moving forward then they should have as many as they can

Because  peadophiles and grooming gangs aren't going to just go away and will always get away with what they can

Well put.

I still hate the daily mail though. 

Edited July 10, 2025 by peelyfeet

[bolton va va]

7 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Well put.

I still hate the daily mail though. 

It's clear that your hatred of The Daily Mail / GB News is far greater than it is for the muslim grooming gangs.

[peelyfeet]

22 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

It's clear that your hatred of The Daily Mail / GB News is far greater than it is for the muslim grooming gangs.

Based on what? My criticism of their reporting style? The conversation on this topic over the last few days clearly shows that their garbage gets through to people and enrages them. 

What's the update on the story? Is it that the government have held talks with Pakistani ministers or is it that a Rochdale neighbour isn't happy with the paedo having a job and parties?

What does the daily mail article tell us that we didn't already know in this 9 year old situation?

What does it do to highlight the people involved with the deportation, the reason it's failed and what's happening regarding the likelihood of him being deported soon?

That's what we should be concerned about, getting pressure on the people responsible, to get the fucker out of the country. And we can only do that if we're told about what's happening.

Edited July 10, 2025 by peelyfeet

[Duck Egg]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Another interesting thing I saw on the BBC this morning during the reporting of the Macron visit. 
 

‘On Wednesday, the prime minister’s spokesman said the government has been "addressing" what French President Emmanuel Macron said were "migration pull factors" that encourage migrants to try to reach the UK.’

These ‘pull factors’ have been mentioned many times on here but maybe a French President’s comments will persuade the government to finally do something. (Any government)

The French have often said it's our black economy that's a serious pull for many migrants but then I saw figures in last night's piece that suggests unregulated work is a bigger issue there than here.  

[Winchester White]

Just now, Duck Egg said:

The French have often said it's our black economy that's a serious pull for many migrants but then I saw figures in last night's piece that suggests unregulated work is a bigger issue there than here.  

Interviews with migrants in Calais and surrounding areas told the big picture, it is language mainly as most speak English as a second language. Then it was friends and/or family already here and also a sprinkling of folk wanting to come here as we colonised them.

[royal white]

3 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

Good. They'd still be a tiny minority mate. The overwhelming majority of sexual abuse is one on one, and the perpetrator is usually a relative or known friend, for adults its usually a partner or ex. Whatabout all those victims, the vast majority? How come the papers are full of a tiny % of cases? Do you think a sexual abuse victim cares about what ethnicity or type of abuser category their abuser falls into? I don't.

Maybe, just maybe, the reason Pakistani grooming gangs are reported on so much is because of years and years of neglect shown by the police/social services etc to those girls who were targeted because of their race and age. 

[peelyfeet]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Maybe, just maybe, the reason Pakistani grooming gangs are reported on so much is because of years and years of neglect shown by the police/social services etc to those girls who were targeted because of their race and age. 

And maybe some of the news outlets repeat the outrage parts of the story over and over and miss out whats actually happening with case because their readers won't click on articles about legal wranglings.

 

Who needs facts on how the deportation negotiations are going  when you can get a load of pitchfork waving geniuses riled up about a house being built in a village in Pakistan according to ..."inquiries by MailOnline in his home village of Charhoi" 

I hope they do an update on how many bedrooms it's got, and how much it cost. Thats what we need to know.

 

 

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Duck Egg said:

The French have often said it's our black economy that's a serious pull for many migrants but then I saw figures in last night's piece that suggests unregulated work is a bigger issue there than here.  

Ah those poor souls from war torn countries here to escape persecution or war with nowhere else to go.

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, bolton va va said:

It's clear that your hatred of The Daily Mail / GB News is far greater than it is for the muslim grooming gangs.

Jesus Christ 😄

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Jesus Christ 😄

Tbf the lunatic has spent two days screaming about the source of the news rather than the actual news itself.

He's downplayed the fact that the leader of a grooming gang is working in the same town he committed his atrocities and he's also downplayed the grooming gang scandal by the usual whataboutery of 'white/home-grown' sex offenders.

Basically saying the problem isn't as bad as is being made out by certain sections of the press despite a massive government inquiry about the issue.

The story of the Rochdale has become relevant because of the said inquiry.

There's reports about pedophiles across every single news outlet in the county on a daily basis btw.