6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Depending upon who you chose to believe we don't have to allow the boats in, and don't have to leave the echr to stop them.

Apparently, international law isn't binding in the way domestic is.

This would seem to be borne out by the fact that other signatories don't accept echr rulings in the way we do, with much lower levels of adherence. 

On that basis, a government could  just "take them straight back, or block them off if it chose to do so.

The problem we have is that the echr bit is enshrined within our law via the human rights act.

Therefore, leaving the echr and removing it from ours should remove the ability of dodgy lawyers to challenge so much.

That would seem to be the thrust of what Tice has said previously. 

France has been asking us to stop being such an attractive proposition for migrants, which clearly we should.

At the same time, they could also do their bit and send them packing from France as soon as they're found. 

It is an international problem, but we have to toughen up to help reduce demand and break the smuggling trade.

Do our bit, and other nations will have little option but to follow suit, rather than carrying our what is tantamount to a fire fighting operation. 

 

Hope we don’t leave the ECHR.

As you say, deal with the problem & be tougher without taking drastic decisions that will make things worse.

Voting Brexit to keep the migrants away springs to mind here. 

49 minutes ago, royal white said:

Which is why they (Labour) are in. The same thing will probably happen again n 4 years time. 

Not if Reform keep denying the climate crisis & putting kids in charge of kids 😄

Edited July 15, 2025Jul 15 by London Wanderer

53 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I’ve seen worse 😄
 

Lots of U Turns & not listening to their voters . Certainly not a shit show just yet though.

Come back to me when they put an 18 year old in charge of social services 

 

You’ll be in the 12% then? 

Where's all these Afghans gonna go then?

Hopefully they bring sacks full of their opium.

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Not if Reform keep denying the climate crisis & putting kids in charge of kids 😄

When have reform not denied the climate crisis 

15 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You’ll be in the 12% then? 

Nope. Nice graph though

Try re-reading my post 

Then tell me where I use the word ‘approve’.

 Not like you to put words in people’s mouths 😊

"But sometimes at school, we only hear about other cultures — which is great because learning about different countries is interesting and important. But it can feel like being British doesn’t count as a culture, just because it’s the majority."

If anything - it's this bit that sounds like her Dad wrote it. I imagine this has been well drilled into her from an early age to be honest (rightly or wrongly). 

8 hours ago, Traf said:

There was more to it. Everyone will know that.
In the permission letter that was sent home, it was explained that it was an attempt to look at other cultures other than our own.

It'll be Starmer's fault, though.

It depends if her (or her family) have got a track history for causing needless trouble about exactly this kind of thing. Just generally being an arse. Let's be honest - none of us have got a clue. But I'm not having it that she was sent home exclusively for wearing her Ginger Spice outfit. 

Anyway - in the grand scheme of things it's an irrelevance. 

It's definitely Starmer's fault mind. Plus he got Jimmy Savile off and something about Arsenal tickets. 

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Nope. Nice graph though

Try re-reading my post 

Then tell me where I use the word ‘approve’.

 Not like you to put words in people’s mouths 😊

Nope. 👍

I don’t produce the graphs myself. I get them from lots of reliable sources. 

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

When have reform not denied the climate crisis 

Do you mean denied ? 
 

I’ll assume you do.

https://news.sky.com/story/reform-uks-richard-tice-dismisses-man-made-climate-change-as-garbage-13311385

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j458q00e2o.amp
 

https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/reform-uks-climate-denial-undermines-democracy/
 

There’s loads more. 
 

A nice quote from their deputy leader & a response from a climate scientist here -

 Richard Tice MP told Sky's political correspondent Ali Fortescue: "There's no evidence that man-made CO2 is going to change climate change.

Dr George Adamson from King's College London said the idea that Richard Tice had "discovered something that climate scientists don't know about is of course preposterous".

It’s quite obvious that they’re in denial of the crisis. 
 

The fella who said that it’s all a hoax in Nottingham is heading transport 🙈

Edited July 15, 2025Jul 15 by London Wanderer

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Nope. 👍

I don’t produce the graphs myself. I get them from lots of reliable sources. 

I’m not denying the reliability of the graph. It’s lovely. 

 I’m wondering where you decided that I was in the ‘ approve of’ category? 

Just now, London Wanderer said:

I’m not denying the reliability of the graph. It’s lovely. 

 I’m wondering where you decided that I was in the ‘ approve of’ category? 

I didn’t. It was a question. Hence the ?

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I didn’t. It was a question. Hence the ?

Quite a closed question

 I’m in neither the 12% or the 66%.
 

 It’s rather a daft question when most people will approve of some things & disapprove of others.

Is there a line for ‘happy to wait & see a bit’ ? 

Edited July 15, 2025Jul 15 by London Wanderer

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Do you mean denied ? 
 

I’ll assume you do.

https://news.sky.com/story/reform-uks-richard-tice-dismisses-man-made-climate-change-as-garbage-13311385

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j458q00e2o.amp
 

https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/reform-uks-climate-denial-undermines-democracy/
 

There’s loads more. 
 

A nice quote from their deputy leader & a response from a climate scientist here -

 Richard Tice MP told Sky's political correspondent Ali Fortescue: "There's no evidence that man-made CO2 is going to change climate change.

Dr George Adamson from King's College London said the idea that Richard Tice had "discovered something that climate scientists don't know about is of course preposterous".

It’s quite obvious that they’re in denial of the crisis. 
 

The fella who said that it’s all a hoax in Nottingham is heading transport 🙈

You’re struggling on the reading again aren’t you. Yes they deny it and their popularity is growing, therefore with labour being as shit as they are Reform are likely to get in.

12 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It depends if her (or her family) have got a track history for causing needless trouble about exactly this kind of thing. Just generally being an arse. Let's be honest - none of us have got a clue. But I'm not having it that she was sent home exclusively for wearing her Ginger Spice outfit. 

Anyway - in the grand scheme of things it's an irrelevance. 

It's definitely Starmer's fault mind. Plus he got Jimmy Savile off and something about Arsenal tickets. 

In a nutshell 

Can’t believe grown adults are getting upset about it

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It depends if her (or her family) have got a track history for causing needless trouble about exactly this kind of thing. Just generally being an arse. Let's be honest - none of us have got a clue. But I'm not having it that she was sent home exclusively for wearing her Ginger Spice outfit. 

Anyway - in the grand scheme of things it's an irrelevance. 

It's definitely Starmer's fault mind. Plus he got Jimmy Savile off and something about Arsenal tickets. 

Why does Starmer keep cropping up in this issue? I haven’t seen anyone on here blame him. 

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Depending upon who you chose to believe we don't have to allow the boats in, and don't have to leave the echr to stop them.

Apparently, international law isn't binding in the way domestic is.

This would seem to be borne out by the fact that other signatories don't accept echr rulings in the way we do, with much lower levels of adherence. 

On that basis, a government could  just "take them straight back, or block them off if it chose to do so.

The problem we have is that the echr bit is enshrined within our law via the human rights act.

Therefore, leaving the echr and removing it from ours should remove the ability of dodgy lawyers to challenge so much.

That would seem to be the thrust of what Tice has said previously. 

France has been asking us to stop being such an attractive proposition for migrants, which clearly we should.

At the same time, they could also do their bit and send them packing from France as soon as they're found. 

It is an international problem, but we have to toughen up to help reduce demand and break the smuggling trade.

Do our bit, and other nations will have little option but to follow suit, rather than carrying our what is tantamount to a fire fighting operation. 

 

I think the possibility a government led by Starmer and his current Attorney General disregard the ECHR on a matter like this is very slim

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’re struggling on the reading again aren’t you. Yes they deny it and their popularity is growing, therefore with labour being as shit as they are Reform are likely to get in.

Hardly. It was a very oddly worded question.

’ when have reform not denied the climate crisis ‘

Especially as it was in response to me saying they did deny it. 

If you agreed they do then why not just say it in the first place? 
 

I don’t think Reform are likely to get in. Are they big favourites? They’ve a chance but looking at those polls it seems more likely there would be a left wing coalition. 

Edited July 15, 2025Jul 15 by London Wanderer

Just now, London Wanderer said:

Hardly. It was a very oddly worded question.

’ when have reform not denied the climate crisis ‘

Especially as it was in response to me saying they did deny it. 

If you agreed they do then why not just say it in the first place? 
 

I don’t think Reform are likely to get in. Are they big favourites? 
looking at those polls it seems more likely there would be a left wing coalition. 

I wouldn't be so sure. They are riding a wave of right wing populism that doesn't seem to care about facts or reason.

I would also add that Labour themselves haven't helped and they need to get their shit together pronto.  The good stuff they are doing is getting lost in the noise of their woeful Comms and backtracking.

People quickly forget the utter disaster of Johnson, Truss and Sunak.

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Hardly. It was a very oddly worded question.

’ when have reform not denied the climate crisis ‘

Especially as it was in response to me saying they did deny it. 

If you agreed they do then why not just say it in the first place? 
 

I don’t think Reform are likely to get in. Are they big favourites? They’ve a chance but looking at those polls it seems more likely there would be a left wing coalition. 

Jesus this is hard. 

You said Reform deny the climate  Crisis, yes that right and I said “when have they not denied it?” Their popularity is growing even though they’re denying it.

 

I said they would probably get in in 4 years but you don’t think they will because of an 18 year old and their CC denial. 

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Jesus this is hard. 

You said Reform deny the climate  Crisis, yes that right and I said “when have they not denied it?” Their popularity is growing even though they’re denying it.

 

I said they would probably get in in 4 years but you don’t think they will because of an 18 year old and their CC denial. 

19 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Quite a closed question

 I’m in neither the 12% or the 66%.
 

 It’s rather a daft question when most people will approve of some things & disapprove of others.

Is there a line for ‘happy to wait & see a bit’ ? 

Nope

its binary.

Anything else is too nuanced and complex.

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

Hope we don’t leave the ECHR.

As you say, deal with the problem & be tougher without taking drastic decisions that will make things worse.

Voting Brexit to keep the migrants away springs to mind here. 

The ECHR needs reforming as many commentators attest to.

It won't be, and we don't do what others do when they disagree with a ruling.

Therefore leaving seems the only option. 

Your Brexit/Migrant comment is the same as ever, as used as ever.

Change it to post covid and you're getting there.

The threshold for entry was reduced to allow people in to replace many European workers who had gone home during the pandemic.

Unfortunately, they brought dependents in (as they would) and the threshold wasn't put back up soon enough. 

Then Hong Kong too, which was fulfilling our requirements to those from the former British Dependent Territory. 

As soon as the threshold went back up, the numbers started to drop.

The inability and lack of will to tackle the illegal migrant situation is what is costing the main parties, and will do so at the next election.

By the way

Anyone voting for a party that will go back to burning as much oil and coal as they possibly can is a proper m()ng 

Renewable energy is the only way we survive long term.

Whether we deserve to is another matter altogether,

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Hardly. It was a very oddly worded question.

’ when have reform not denied the climate crisis ‘

Especially as it was in response to me saying they did deny it. 

If you agreed they do then why not just say it in the first place? 
 

I don’t think Reform are likely to get in. Are they big favourites? They’ve a chance but looking at those polls it seems more likely there would be a left wing coalition. 

It’s 4 years to the next election. They say a week is a long time in politics. The last year has seemed like a lifetime for Labour. It won’t get better. (IMO) I don’t think the economy will improve with the current Chancellor. She really is out of her depth. 
Lots of things could change in the next four years. New Tory leader? New Labour leader? New Chancellor?