Moderators Zico Posted April 20 Moderators Share Posted April 20 9 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said: To compare Tomo to Muamba is just ludicrous imo. only way to do this would be for @gonzocollate's the results with and without George, and then see how they stand against Muamba's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Played 90 Minutes W - QPR 4 - 0 W - Stoke 5 - 0 L - Fulham 2 - 0 W - Blackburn 2 - 1 D - Wolves 1 - 1 W - Everton 1 - 2 W - Liverpool 3 - 1 D - Arsenal 0 - 0 Subbed L - Man City 2 - 3 @ 59mins - 0 conceeded L - Liverpool 3 - 1 @ 26mins - 2 conceeded L - Arsebal 3 - 0 @ 56mins - 2 conceeded L - West Brom 2 - 1 @ 81mins - 0 conceeded L - Everton 0 - 2 @ 61mins - 1 conceeded L - Spurs 3 - 0 @ 27mins - 2 conceeded L - Newcastle 0 - 2 @ 66mins - 2 conceeded L - Man Utd 3 - 0 @ 80mins - 1 conceeded L - Norwich 2 - 0 @ 57mins - 2 conceeded Didn't play L - Man Utd 0 - 5 L - Norwich 1 - 2 L - Chelsea 1 - 5 W - Wigan 1 - 3 L - Sunderland 0 - 2 L - Swansea 3 - 1 L - Villa 1 - 2 L - Wigan 1-2 Unfortunately Ive not got GTs to hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marple whites Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 4 points from 2 aways and as good a haul as teams around us. really need 7 if not 9 from these 3 home games and then buckle up for the play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted April 21 Moderators Share Posted April 21 GT has only played 90 mins against 2 sides (from 11 games) in the top 10 in league one. He has a cracking record playing 80 min + mainly against shite opposition. In summary - Evatt doesn’t trust him He is not as good as other CMs in the squad. Decent squad player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, Horwich said: GT has only played 90 mins against 2 sides (from 11 games) in the top 10 in league one. He has a cracking record playing 80 min + mainly against shite opposition. In summary - Evatt doesn’t trust him He is not as good as other CMs in the squad. Decent squad player Dion Charles has only played 90 minutes 6 times against all sides in league one one, from 35 starts. He has scored in 2 games (in 10 games) against current top 6 clubs (in the league), but has a cracking record, mainly against shite opposition. I guess Evatt doesnt trust him either. OR its a poor argument you are making. Thomasson is unlikely to become a England all time grea, but he's holding his own in the league we are currently in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 21 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21 Shite mis-use and interpretation of stats there Horwich. As ultimately demonstrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted April 21 Moderators Share Posted April 21 How many times has Evatt started Thomason vs him coming off the bench 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, Horwich said: How many times has Evatt started Thomason vs him coming off the bench 🙄 He's started 12. Come on as sub 6 times (66% start rate). others: Josh Sheehan Start : 10 as sub :11 (47%) Dapo Start: 13/9 (59%) Bod Start : 8/13 (38%) Tequila : 13/22 (37%) Keiran Lee 20/9 (69%) MJ 17/7 (70%) Dempsey 29/7 (80%) Morley : 30/7 (81%) Vic : 8/4 (66%) so hes starting at a higher rate than Evatts BFF Katcha, and the same rate as our big Jan signing Vic, ever so slightly less than Kl & MJ. I'm working from home, and bored. Maybe Evatt doesnt rate anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted April 21 Moderators Share Posted April 21 We have played 42 games and he has started 12. 28.5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 22 minutes ago, Horwich said: We have played 42 games and he has started 12. 28.5% Has he not been injured for a large percentage of those games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted April 21 Moderators Share Posted April 21 16 minutes ago, DazBob said: Has he not been injured for a large percentage of those games? As you know, he has. As have others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 12 hours ago, gonzo said: Played 90 Minutes W - QPR 4 - 0 W - Stoke 5 - 0 L - Fulham 2 - 0 W - Blackburn 2 - 1 D - Wolves 1 - 1 W - Everton 1 - 2 W - Liverpool 3 - 1 D - Arsenal 0 - 0 Subbed L - Man City 2 - 3 @ 59mins - 0 conceeded L - Liverpool 3 - 1 @ 26mins - 2 conceeded L - Arsebal 3 - 0 @ 56mins - 2 conceeded L - West Brom 2 - 1 @ 81mins - 0 conceeded L - Everton 0 - 2 @ 61mins - 1 conceeded L - Spurs 3 - 0 @ 27mins - 2 conceeded L - Newcastle 0 - 2 @ 66mins - 2 conceeded L - Man Utd 3 - 0 @ 80mins - 1 conceeded L - Norwich 2 - 0 @ 57mins - 2 conceeded Didn't play L - Man Utd 0 - 5 L - Norwich 1 - 2 L - Chelsea 1 - 5 W - Wigan 1 - 3 L - Sunderland 0 - 2 L - Swansea 3 - 1 L - Villa 1 - 2 L - Wigan 1-2 Unfortunately Ive not got GTs to hand. GT this season: P22 W13 D6 L3 Red card 1 Yellow 5 Goals 2 Looks fantastic - but he was sub 16/22 games and frequently came on to shut up shop when we were already ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 21 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21 (edited) The most laughable criticisim I hear of Thomason is "When he runs, he looks at his feet" - as though his eyes are permanently stuck looking straight ahead, and he only has a tiny tunnel of vision in the direction his face is pointed. Edited April 21 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 The best is yet to come from George. My only hope for him is that he reaches his full potential - never be a World Cup winner but he could be a really useful player for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, Horwich said: We have played 42 games and he has started 12. 28.5% 2 hours ago, DazBob said: Has he not been injured for a large percentage of those games? 2 hours ago, Horwich said: As you know, he has. As have others. TBF, he missed 19 league games between getting injured against Bristol R, and making his comeback at wembley. so started 12 (52%) played in 18 (78%) of the 23 games he's been available for. Obviously Evatt doesnt trust him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, Wanderlust said: GT this season: P22 W13 D6 L3 Red card 1 Yellow 5 Goals 2 Looks fantastic - but he was sub 16/22 games and frequently came on to shut up shop when we were already ahead huh ? Hes started 15 of the 22 games hes played this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, Horwich said: As you know, he has. As have others. Absolute banter the way you could see him lift the world cup and you would still say he was shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Jeez Horwich. Is he bumming your son or something ? You've got some personal downer on a kid who's proven you wrong continually & you can't accept that he's a very decent player at this level. You went very quiet in that good run he had before his injury. Now you're counting games recovering from his kneecap being dislocated as proof that he's shite. No-one is claiming he's a World beater but pull the wool from your eyes man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Jeez Horwich. Is he bumming your son or something ? You've got some personal downer on a kid who's proven you wrong continually & you can't accept that he's a very decent player at this level. You went very quiet in that good run he had before his injury. Now you're counting games recovering from his kneecap being dislocated as proof that he's shite. No-one is claiming he's a World beater but pull the wool from your eyes man. He's mellowing Previously, the claim was he was a North West Counties player and now he's League One at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOWTUN BAKED Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 He continues to improve. That's all you can ask & want from a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted April 21 Moderators Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Jeez Horwich. Is he bumming your son or something ? You've got some personal downer on a kid who's proven you wrong continually & you can't accept that he's a very decent player at this level. You went very quiet in that good run he had before his injury. Now you're counting games recovering from his kneecap being dislocated as proof that he's shite. No-one is claiming he's a World beater but pull the wool from your eyes man. He is not “A very decent player at this level” If he was, he would be starting most weeks. Dion Charles is a very decent player at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted April 21 Moderators Share Posted April 21 I would class him as average/above average. That won’t get us promoted. A good squad player, as his record is good against average opposition. He will be on minimum wage, so glad we have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted April 21 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, Horwich said: I would class him as average/above average. That won’t get us promoted. A good squad player, as his record is good against average opposition. He will be on minimum wage, so glad we have him. I think my wife is on just above minimum wages so she might go to match and drop him a couple of quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 21 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21 34 minutes ago, Horwich said: I would class him as average/above average. That won’t get us promoted. A good squad player, as his record is good against average opposition. He will be on minimum wage, so glad we have him. Quite often last season, he would play when others got injured or when the team was out of form. Sometimes with other 'non first picks' or in a side that had gone off the boil. Nevertheless, he has matured and earned his place. I remember matching his win record at one point and it was noteable how many victories he was involved in. Obviously only a rough use of stats and at a selected period, but if that's good enough to show he's shite, then it's also good enough to show Southgate what he's missing out on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 21 Site Supporter Share Posted April 21 51 minutes ago, Horwich said: I would class him as average/above average. That won’t get us promoted. A good squad player, as his record is good against average opposition. He will be on minimum wage, so glad we have him. Nobody is saying he's currently anything other than a decent young fringe player with potential for development. He's 22 ffs, and you wrote him off when he was 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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