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Moderators Casino Posted October 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2023 Maybe Tony Barton, look him up, won the European Cup, ffs! A better question might be where have the great Scotchers gone Revie was a great club manager, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Zico said: Absolutely but his first season was shite and many clubs would've sacked him, Arsenal right to stick with him You're right about Celtic though, turned Brendan Rodgers into a winner and his record at Leicester subsequently was very good On the other hand, Steven Gerrard went a season unbeaten with Rangers but didn't really get him anywhere long term, maybe he will come back from SA with a point to prove that English guy is doing at alright at Reims and he doesn't even have a uefa licence Will Still Ex-Myerscough College student Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnestTurnip Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Maybe there's always been, and still is, summat wrong within the English game that means English ex-players don't make good managers? Are they just happy to take the money they've made and stand in front of or behind a bar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Casino said: Maybe Tony Barton, look him up, won the European Cup, ffs! A better question might be where have the great Scotchers gone Revie was a great club manager, too Certainly agree the number historically is traditionally low, especially from a country (Scot’s included who buck the trend) brought the game to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted October 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, Casino said: As far as english managers go, theres only really clough, paisley and to a lesser degree, venables. Go on, you cN all tell me some obvious onez, ive missed, maybe robson? None of em had great careers, clough was obv unlucky - so i dont think its to do with players not going in to management Don Revie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted October 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2023 Going back a bit further... Bill Nicholson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think we'd probably have to include Robson and Hodgson given they managed Barcelona and Inter Milan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators Casino Posted October 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2023 Greenwood and a bit earlier nicholson would prob get in a top 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bolton in bedford Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think there is a lot of reasons why, and am in a long running debate with my son over this, so to summarise. Foreign owners just don’t trust English managers for whatever reason. They’d rather risk Wolfsburg reserve team coach rather than an up and coming young English manager. This has long been the case in the premier league and is now becoming a worrying trend in the championship. A lot of decent English young managers aren’t a name so don’t get given a chance, yet the likes of Lampard get decent jobs over these. Good players don’t often make good managers and bas players can make god managers. Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho weren’t good players. Foreign managers/a big name are often touted for big job for example Vincent Kompany was a possible for the Spurs job based on one season at Burnley, when winning the league with the best squad in the league, yet the same isn’t afforded to english managers who do well the championship. Not enough English managers try their luck abroad, that said, even if they did and were successful I don’t believe they would be given a chance at a big English club. British media doesn’t help, if an English manager does well at a small club in the premier league, pundits then say that they need to test themselves at a Villa or Everton rather then saying they should get a chance at a bigger club. I know it would carry risk but moving to a so called slightly bigger club usually fails as below the top 6 or 7 is generally a level playing field. Those who have had a chance have cocked it up. Potter at Chelsea, though doesn’t seem so bad as the current big name is doing no better. Hopes pin on Eddie Howe, but everyone knew the finger was on the trigger and the new owners were itching to get rid to get a bigger foreign manager in. Probably for the reasons above. Grass roots coaching courses in England are abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, bolton in bedford said: I think there is a lot of reasons why, and am in a long running debate with my son over this, so to summarise. Foreign owners just don’t trust English managers for whatever reason. They’d rather risk Wolfsburg reserve team coach rather than an up and coming young English manager. This has long been the case in the premier league and is now becoming a worrying trend in the championship. A lot of decent English young managers aren’t a name so don’t get given a chance, yet the likes of Lampard get decent jobs over these. Good players don’t often make good managers and bas players can make god managers. Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho weren’t good players. Foreign managers/a big name are often touted for big job for example Vincent Kompany was a possible for the Spurs job based on one season at Burnley, when winning the league with the best squad in the league, yet the same isn’t afforded to english managers who do well the championship. Not enough English managers try their luck abroad, that said, even if they did and were successful I don’t believe they would be given a chance at a big English club. British media doesn’t help, if an English manager does well at a small club in the premier league, pundits then say that they need to test themselves at a Villa or Everton rather then saying they should get a chance at a bigger club. I know it would carry risk but moving to a so called slightly bigger club usually fails as below the top 6 or 7 is generally a level playing field. Those who have had a chance have cocked it up. Potter at Chelsea, though doesn’t seem so bad as the current big name is doing no better. Hopes pin on Eddie Howe, but everyone knew the finger was on the trigger and the new owners were itching to get rid to get a bigger foreign manager in. Probably for the reasons above. Grass roots coaching courses in England are abysmal. Some good points but even going back 20-30 Years when there was little foreign ownership there was still a lack of top English coaches (ones that wins some silverware) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2023 Think fergie was a decent player, but got crocked iirc. It's an interesting concept that they don't go abroad enough- why would you if you're already working with top players- but if they chose to, and did well, would it automatically mean a top job here? Doubt it. Might be nice too see one succeed with a less fancied club, but like Potter did, buy conversely he's one that did get the chance, and then experienced the issues such a club can have. Anyway, Herbert Chapman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger_Dubuis Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, royal white said: Some good points but even going back 20-30 Years when there was little foreign ownership there was still a lack of top English coaches (ones that wins some silverware) Big Ron won the 2nd of his League Cups 30 years ago to add to his two FA Cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Roger_Dubuis said: Big Ron won the 2nd of his League Cups 30 years ago to add to his two FA Cups. Good shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators Casino Posted October 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2023 Bobby houghton also got a team to the european cup final A swedish team at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators Casino Posted October 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Zico said: Never heard of him So had a look Perhaps the most eclectic managerial CV you're likely to find Obvs, i did know him, but learned something earlier while fact checking, a fella with an even odder CV Steve constantine Proper tricky to get my head round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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