No Henderson in the provisional squad 

Nah, won't work.  There's no hard-man midfield bastard in there.

Will Switzerland play with all 11 behind the ball? If so then we need Toney up top so that we're not relying on sneaking a pass through a wall of players we can use the big hoof up to a big forward and work from there. That was the biggest change once Toney came on that we had a target the other side of the barricade we could aim for.

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

This is the rumoured line up.

I can't see it but we live in hope.

Watkins over Toney all day. Just had the best season of his life and has more pace which we’re crying out for

1 hour ago, Mantra said:

Watkins over Toney all day. Just had the best season of his life and has more pace which we’re crying out for

Watkins pace is only any good if there's space behind the defenders for him to exploit if the Swiss camp deep he's less useless than Kane.

2 hours ago, Zico said:

I would not oppose this

How brilliant would it be to see this. Kane would perform better next to Tony imo & Rice & Bellingham could keep it tight in midfield whilst going forward. 

Ain’t gonna happen though.

A manager who only makes 2 subs after 93 minutes whilst 1 down to Slovakia does not make these kinds of changes. 
 

Loved to be proven wrong but I think Southgate might be naive enough to think his system works & this comeback can get it going again. 

2 hours ago, Mantra said:

Watkins over Toney all day. Just had the best season of his life and has more pace which we’re crying out for

Not for me.

Toney assisted both the other day, and has a bit of physicality and aerial strength to give centre halves a bit more to think about.

Reckon he may still be feeling a touch aggrieved too, and could be well up for it.

2 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

Will Switzerland play with all 11 behind the ball? 

Can't see it myself. If they've been studying videos of England games I suspect that they'll be fancying their chances if they go and attack.

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Can't see it myself. If they've been studying videos of England games I suspect that they'll be fancying their chances if they go and attack.

I don't think Walker is as strong as he used to be, and some questions have certainly been asked of the defence at times.

Fortunately, they've generally stood firm.

Saka at LWB ffs?

Is this a serious post?

Xaka a possible injury concern for them 

30 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Saka at LWB ffs?

Is this a serious post?

It makes perfect sense.

He's played there before and is currently our only fit wide left footed option and we have so far looked woefully imbalanced and narrow. 

This formation is what I've been wanting since pre-tournament, makes the most sense with the makeup of this squad, especially in games where we dominate possession. 

44 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Saka at LWB ffs?

Is this a serious post?

Played there before, earlier in his England career.

Would give better balance, and he's not provided loads of width down the right, so why not?

The set up ought to be fluid enough for players to swap around and cover for each other too.

1 hour ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Saka at LWB ffs?

Is this a serious post?

It's not ideal ... but needs must and he's left footed for a start, something that has seriously fucked us over so far.

What we do know is what Southgate and the players have done in the games so far has meant they aren't playing anywhere near to their potential.

Something needs to change.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not for me.

Toney assisted both the other day, and has a bit of physicality and aerial strength to give centre halves a bit more to think about.

Reckon he may still be feeling a touch aggrieved too, and could be well up for it.

Guehi assisted the Bellingham overhead kick. I don’t mind Toney but Watkins has had an incredible season whereas Toney was out half a year for his ban.

Apparently we’re playing with Foden and Bellingham behind Kane anyway in at 3-4-2-1.

hopefully that means Trent rwb and Saka over trippier at LWB 

Fair enough about Guehi.

The fewer matches for Toney I see as a benefit. 

Should have more freshness in his legs.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Toney assisted both the other day

Sickening.

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not for me.

Toney assisted both the other day, and has a bit of physicality and aerial strength to give centre halves a bit more to think about.

Reckon he may still be feeling a touch aggrieved too, and could be well up for it.

He's a clever player as well, Toney.

Can't wait for Dan to turn into him.

9 minutes ago, wakey said:

He's a clever player as well, Toney.

Can't wait for Dan to turn into him.

Dunno if you're married, but if so, I reckon she'll be cashing in your policies before Dan does that!

 

   Walker stones Konsa 

Trent Rice Mainoo Saka 

             Jude Foden 

                   Kane

43 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

   Walker stones Konsa 

Trent Rice Mainoo Saka 

             Jude Foden 

                   Kane

Someone needs to tell Kane if he drops deep at any point he loses a finger.

Basically playing 3 number 10s upfront there if he carries on.

Edited July 4, 20241 yr by gonzo

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Someone needs to tell Kane if he drops deep at any point he loses a finger.

Basically playing 3 number 10s upfront there if he carries on.

If anything and it shouldn’t it could give him more licence as he’ll think there’s people around him that can go beyond. 
 

whereas he should be told in no uncertain terms to keep his fucking nose out and stay up there 

9 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

If anything and it shouldn’t it could give him more licence as he’ll think there’s people around him that can go beyond. 
 

whereas he should be told in no uncertain terms to keep his fucking nose out and stay up there 

How does he play at Bayern? 

Given he banged in a shit load is he playing alongside someone or dropping back? 

2 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

How does he play at Bayern? 

Given he banged in a shit load is he playing alongside someone or dropping back? 

He’s always dropped back hasn’t he. And he has musiala going past him then a couple of decent wide men like Gnabry and Sane 

1 minute ago, barrycowdrill said:

He’s always dropped back hasn’t he. And he has musiala going past him then a couple of decent wide men like Gnabry and Sane 

No idea as I haven't watched it 

Just wondering how he goes from scoring so many to looking like a bloke who could hardly hit a barn door 

2 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

No idea as I haven't watched it 

Just wondering how he goes from scoring so many to looking like a bloke who could hardly hit a barn door 

Service. Or lack of in this case.