looking forward to this

hassan going for history, competing in the 1500m, 5k, 10k and marathon 

7 races in 10 days 

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nobody has been able to confim her chromosones. All we know for certain is - she was born a girl, and her father refused to let her go to boxing training when she was young because he didn't believe girls should box ( I'm assuming he saw her genitals when she was a baby). She may have a genetic advantage, but don't most successful sportsmen/women?

It's shit that culture wars have got this raised to stupid levels. She is isn't battering all women away with her strength either.

Imagine being born a girl, raised a girl, believing you are a girl then grow as a l woman and then someone says you are actually not and should be banned in the sport you have taken up. Must fuck with your head that.

3 hours ago, frank_spencer said:

Where was al this outcry at the Algerian in 2020 when she competed?

boohoo you got punched in the face by a lass stronger than you. That's called boxing.

Was her situation know about and publicised then?

First I've heard of it.

As for your second bit- well simply pathetic.

She's not facing a woman, something you need to accept. The Algerian had all the benefits of a man- developed as such, with effects on bone density, muscles etc.

There are weight categories in both seces to account for size difference too- do those get scrapped?

Edited August 2, 20242 yr by Tonge moor green jacket

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Was her situation know about and publicised then?

First I've heard of it.

As for your second bit- well simply pathetic.

She's not facing a woman, something you need to accept. The Algerian had all the benefits of a man- developed as such, with effects on bone density, muscles etc.

There are weight categories in both seces to account for size difference too- do those get scrapped?

She doesn't have a cock either though and never has had? She may or may not have some genetic conditions but she isn't a bloke, something you need to accept.

She'll almost certainly have a sexual development disorder and may well be biological male despite having female genitalia

Caster Semenya had a similar condition (despite living as a woman, she has internal testes) and, despite being rare, there have been quite a few examples of athletes with similar conditions being barred from competing

It isn't a straightforward issue

Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

She'll almost certainly have a sexual development disorder and may well be biological male despite having female genitalia

Caster Semenya had a similar condition (despite living as a woman, she has internal testes) and, despite being rare, there have been quite a few examples of athletes with similar conditions being barred from competing

It isn't a straightforward issue

In situations such as what you describe surely you aren't male or female then?

That could be awful for someone to find out later in life.

Just now, Winchester White said:

In situations such as what you describe surely you aren't male or female then?

That could be awful for someone to find out later in life.

People with DSDs are either biologically male or female but can develop the genitalia of the opposite sex as a part of their condition

I agree that it must be awful for people to suddenly be informed of the issue, and similarly horrendous/humiliating if it means they then also miss out on their sporting dreams, but that only means the issue needs to be dealt with using the appropriate care and sensitivity rather than not dealing with it at all

A small number of track athletes have also been barred from competition over the years, rightly or wrongly

3 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

@MalcolmW - what are your thoughts on repechage rounds?

I don't think it will work well.

There is no problem with having one fastest loser (sorry, fastest non-automatic qualifier), or maybe 2, but it was farcical to have six.

[I was once sixth in a Lancs mile heat with a faster time than the winner of the other heat, who went on to win the final. It was 5 to qualify from each heat.]

It will become possible for someone to jog round and rely on qualifying from the repechage. Probably not this time, but when it has been sussed out. Maybe restricting entry to the repechage would clear that, but for now all finishers get a second chance.

18 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

People with DSDs are either biologically male or female but can develop the genitalia of the opposite sex as a part of their condition

I agree that it must be awful for people to suddenly be informed of the issue, and similarly horrendous/humiliating if it means they then also miss out on their sporting dreams, but that only means the issue needs to be dealt with using the appropriate care and sensitivity rather than not dealing with it at all

A small number of track athletes have also been barred from competition over the years, rightly or wrongly

But for Sharon Davies and JK Rowling to pile in on this specific issue with their very valid trans opinions is really not cricket in my opinion.

5 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

But for Sharon Davies and JK Rowling to pile in on this specific issue with their very valid trans opinions is really not cricket in my opinion.

Yes I agree, not least because it isn't a transgender issue (where in my opinion, the case for exclusion is much clearer) but a DSD one

23 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

But for Sharon Davies and JK Rowling to pile in on this specific issue with their very valid trans opinions is really not cricket in my opinion.

Aye, it's disgusting that they want to stand up for a woman fighting a man.......

Michael Phelps genetics gave him fucking massive feet does that mean he shouldn't have competed in the Olympics.

Every so often a sports person emerges that's been given a biological advantage by the generic lottery.

This is her second Olympics it's not like Tyson Fury stuck some lippy on and decided to box the ladies.

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Was her situation know about and publicised then?

First I've heard of it.

As for your second bit- well simply pathetic.

She's not facing a woman, something you need to accept. The Algerian had all the benefits of a man- developed as such, with effects on bone density, muscles etc.

There are weight categories in both seces to account for size difference too- do those get scrapped?

She is facing a woman though in a sport where you're going to get punched in the face. Trying to get some sort of anti-trans backlash against your stronger opponent because she beat you is bullshit 

Michael Phelps competed in an open category and so the comparison doesn't hold

1 hour ago, jeep said:

Aye, it's disgusting that they want to stand up for a woman fighting a man.......

Have you actually read this thread?

28 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Have you actually read this thread?

Yes. Have you?

I've also read a lot about this, most by Sharron Davies who has done so much research in to this...

 

29 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Have you actually read this thread?

Plenty haven't. 

You can say its not her fault she's got a genetic disorder but if it wasn't for the genetic disorder she wouldn't have got this far.

Imo it's an unfair advantage on women fighters with normal chromosomes.

How the hell it's turned into a trans thing is beyond me.

 

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Plenty haven't. 

You can say its not her fault she's got a genetic disorder but if it wasn't for the genetic disorder she wouldn't have got this far.

Imo it's an unfair advantage on women fighters with normal chromosomes.

How the hell it's turned into a trans thing is beyond me.

 

Yes.

The boxer isn't a trans person.

Been reading an interest article about DSD.

Something that Semenya was diagnosed with. Different types according to the type of anomaly. 

It gives the individual male characteristics and thus an unfair advantage. Potentially even, a dangerous one.

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Plenty haven't. 

You can say its not her fault she's got a genetic disorder but if it wasn't for the genetic disorder she wouldn't have got this far.

Imo it's an unfair advantage on women fighters with normal chromosomes.

How the hell it's turned into a trans thing is beyond me.

 

Exactly, people who should know better conflating totally different issues.

It's shit for her but if correct then she can't compete. Sorry for her but that's only fair.

Totally different to Lia Thomas and the trans row yet thick cunts read a headline made by media cunts and can't see the difference. Usually because they just jump to a predisposed conclusion.

18 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Exactly, people who should know better conflating totally different issues.

It's shit for her but if correct then she can't compete. Sorry for her but that's only fair.

Totally different to Lia Thomas and the trans row yet thick cunts read a headline made by media cunts and can't see the difference. Usually because they just jump to a predisposed conclusion.

Wonder what Tez Truth has to say on the issue

20 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Exactly, people who should know better conflating totally different issues.

It's shit for her but if correct then she can't compete. Sorry for her but that's only fair.

Totally different to Lia Thomas and the trans row yet thick cunts read a headline made by media cunts and can't see the difference. Usually because they just jump to a predisposed conclusion.

Rowling & Davies haven't confused the 2 different issues. 

I agree with your 2nd paragraph...

This BMX girl of ours is fucking mint.

41 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

This BMX girl of ours is fucking mint.

But not in the final! Brutal sport that.

18 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

But not in the final! Brutal sport that.

Out of position instantly 

Thought that was a nailed on gold

25 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Out of position instantly 

Thought that was a nailed on gold

It seems odd to me how they have so many heats yet just one final? In such a high risk sport you would think they would space it like so many other sports/events?

Keeley shone again in the 800m heats, roll on Sunday

10 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Keeley shone again in the 800m heats, roll on Sunday

Semis will be tougher.

On repechage, heat winners and 2 fastest losers qualify in the 800.