Kemi Badenoch doesn’t really need to speak in public more than once a month and she’ll do ok. In that respect, keeping her head down is proving very effective.

Sniping from the sidelines and criticising everyone clearly has merit. 🙃

54 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Probably a fair summary at this point - but he united the party enough to make them electable again, and that was no mean feat.

True enough. He had a lot to do after the Corbyn years and he did it so yeah fair play to him

16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I didn't have a beer with him, but he did come across as decent, until I got home and realised he lied to me personally.

After bullshitting in writing.

Classic example of someone prepared to do and say whatever it takes to get the top gig.

He's far from the first and certainly won't be the last. Just another self serving twat on the road to power.

For all his faults, I don't think Starmer was quite of that ilk. Just weak and a poor PM.

What happened mate? I'm intrigued.

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

What happened mate? I'm intrigued.

He's brought this up before, and claims he can't go into any more detail for some reason.

A couple of facts.

In 2019 10,269,051 People voted Labour (Corbyn)

In 2024 9,708,816 People voted Labour (Starmer)

Labour got in because of the collapse of the Conservative vote.

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

A couple of facts.

In 2019 10,269,051 People voted Labour (Corbyn)

In 2024 9,708,816 People voted Labour (Starmer)

Labour got in because of the collapse of the Conservative vote.

And?

13 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

A couple of facts.

In 2019 10,269,051 People voted Labour (Corbyn)

In 2024 9,708,816 People voted Labour (Starmer)

Labour got in because of the collapse of the Conservative vote.

Quite.

But one statistic doesn't tell a story as to how or why such a statistic came about.

I for one would never vote for a party with a leader like Corbyn, the same applies with Farage at the other end of the spectrum.

Oh for a boring, decent (mostly) and competent small c conservative party we used to have, Boris completely fucked the party.

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2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Quite.

But one statistic doesn't tell a story as to how or why such a statistic came about.

I for one would never vote for a party with a leader like Corbyn, the same applies with Farage at the other end of the spectrum.

Oh for a boring, decent (mostly) and competent small c conservative party we used to have, Boris completely fucked the party.

Brexit fucked the Tories. Boris was just the most popular clown after everyone with an ounce of sense had been fucked off, so he was promoted to Ring Master.

Replacing Starmer with Burnham is like the BBC replacing Jimmy Saville with Gary Glitter.

6 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

A couple of facts.

In 2019 10,269,051 People voted Labour (Corbyn)

In 2024 9,708,816 People voted Labour (Starmer)

Labour got in because of the collapse of the Conservative vote.

on the one hand, 2019 was 32.1% of the vote and 2019 was 33.7%

in 2017, 12.8M voted Corbyn with 40% of the vote

so it's been downhil since then

11 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

True enough. He had a lot to do after the Corbyn years and he did it so yeah fair play to him

Apsana Begum says hold my non-alcoholic beer

5 hours ago, Freddie Hill said:

Replacing Starmer with Burnham is like the BBC replacing Jimmy Saville with Gary Glitter.

Which Elon Musk bot generated that drivel