YATESY Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 Can anybody name a Prem ground of similar size to the Reebok that does have a good atmosphere?
Zico Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 when we went 2-1 up last season against Utd it was superb when we thought we were beating Utd 1-0 a few seasons back, it were superb I remember at Norwich last season, with europe in our sights we went 1-0 up and it was very good and that's with all the above factors still very much in place fulham, no one could be arsed, it was all a bit subdued after thursday we're just as responsible for creating an atmosphere as those factors are for surpressing it also you may notice when it's a big game and everyone stands up, the stewards generally leave you be, well, they do in the east lower, but when a few stand up at a relatively calm game, they ask you to sit down - this is always the case - they will not ask people to sit down at Utd at home, mark my words sounds like yet more excuses for not bothering miself
no balls Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 Can anybody name a Prem ground of similar size to the Reebok that does have a good atmosphere? Can anybody name a prem ground of any size that does have a good atmosphere? I was at the city of manchester stadium on the afternoon we robbed em blind & I was so embarrassed to hear the canned chanting on tannoy. Shameful!
Guest Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 Most teams suffer from the same things we are going through. Just look down the road in my neck of the woods. They get 66K every match, yet you can hear a pin drop unless its Liverpool/Arsenal playing them, yet away from home, they are probably the loudest fans that travel (probably due to their numbers). With regards the suggestions. The club did try and get a "singing" section going. The North stand lower was originally that, but no one took them up on this (well only a few like myself ) so they started shifting tickets to other more reserved fans. Dont really see how people can moan they are not sat with their "singing" mates if you didnt originally take up the option to sit in the North stand. As for unreserved seating - the police will never allow this, due to controls used in this country IMO
Zico Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 basically, if you want an atmosphere you're going to have to be proactive in creating one, rather than saying you'll be reactive to a list of criteria that will never actually happen
Guest Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 we don't even make much noise away Cass, you start and i'll follow basically, if you want an atmosphere you're going to have to be proactive in creating one, rather than saying you'll be reactive to a list of criteria that will never actually happen Ok toon away, no sitting, and "we are the one and only wanderers all the way through the match" - its the one song that lasts and people no the words, or at least cotton on too
Guest Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 Can anybody name a Prem ground of similar size to the Reebok that does have a good atmosphere? Pompey have a mint atmosphere and there crap and going down
Horwich Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 i reckon they should: 1) sell beer to the people in the seats (Did you know that people in boxes may be able to drink and watch the game in the near future?) 2) set up a pa system and a microphone, get casino to take his top off and get him to sing to us. 3) get rid of some of the advertisement boards around the ground and let fans put banners up. 4) build a supporters club 5) safe standing sections (north lower?) Ps why do the club allow manchester united fans to stand up every season?
Guest as Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 In 10 years time we'll all be saying the same things. Do you really think the clubs & their chairman give a f*cking sh*te about what the fans think? ??39 for an away ticket at Bolton - whoever dreamt those prices up must have been high on smack. And as for the atmosphere debate - you name me another club, similair sized to ourselves, who wouldn't have managed 20k & had a non-existent atmosphere v Marseille at home? I can't think of one. The location of that ground kills it, even that Marseille fan commented on it on the UEFA board. There are next-to-no decent watering holes nearby, you've got a train station with the worlds most unreliable trains and it's grid-locked if you want to get back to Bolton. I don't know a single person who actually ENJOYS going to the Reebok anymore. It's a ground built for the away fans, with nice links to the motorway so they can f*ck off straight back home after the match. PB
Zico Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 And as for the atmosphere debate - you name me another club, similair sized to ourselves, who wouldn't have managed 20k & had a non-existent atmosphere v Marseille at home? I can't think of one. looking at their attendances for the UEFA this season, Boro I'd like to know how many of the 24k were Stuttgart, I hear they take a lot of fans on the road
Darwen Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 on saturday one of the lads i go with who sits futher down the stand stood up when we had a corner and shouted to encourage the players. Some woman behind him told him to shut up and sit down [-X
Zico Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 Ps why do the club allow manchester united fans to stand up every season? as I said earlier, I don't think I've once sat down when we've played Utd, and no one else in east lower corner does neither
bristol_wanderer Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 There seems to be a desire here to have a better atmos at the Reebok so why don't we create one? It's in our hands. The people on this board care enough about BWFC to spend time posting on here, as well as going to the games, so we should be the ones to start it. Any of those who go under scoreboard or north lower care to form the Bolton Ultra's?? Lets turn the Reebok atmos into the Stade Velodrome of the Premiership. Pining for Burnden is pointless. Totally agree about having a supporters bar near the gruond. Everyone would gain from it, fans, club and team due to better atmosphere.
Horwich Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 scoreboarders are all chavs would we be called the sit down ultras?
Happy Wanderer Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 I think they should take ALL the seats out of the Lower South Stand where both home and visiting supporters have the option of standing up. This will encourage those that want to get involved with a good old fashioned sing song. Remember those days? Well they should be brought back, rappid.
bristol_wanderer Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 Yeah, but after the football problems of the 80s I don't think there is any apetite by those who run the game to allow standing in this country in the near future. I don't see why there can't be a good atmosphere at the Reebok. Last season there was some good ones, and a few this. To improve it surely it just needs the ones who like to sing to go somewhere near the scoreboard or north lower and erm.. sing. We can go further by looking at the likes of Marseilles and forming groups and orchestrating it a bit more. I'm sure the club would be supportive as long as they were convinced there wouldn't be any bother.
Zico Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 I think they should take ALL the seats out of the Lower South Stand where both home and visiting supporters have the option of standing up. This will encourage those that want to get involved with a good old fashioned sing song. Remember those days? Well they should be brought back, rappid. but they won't there's no point in coming up with suggestions that we all know are ridiculous as an excuse for why we don't have an atmosphere, we know we can create one, because there have been good atmosphere's at the Reebok as well as bad uns just like at Burnden, sometimes it was good, sometimes it was bad it's all about getting people in the mood for it everyone knows that the east lower corner under the scoreboard is where the potential is, so that's where it needs to begin - so why doesn't everyone else who wants an atmosphere all get tickets down there? it doesn't have to be all round the ground, it probably never will be, but at least try and make one part of the ground the all singing all standing part of the ground and if they make us sit down, then carry on saw Denmark at Hillsbrough create a belting atmosphere in Euro 96 and not one of them were stood up, all sat down clapping / stamping / swaying, it look good and sounded good
Carlos Posted February 28, 2006 Author Posted February 28, 2006 Reet, we obviously can't open even a "safe" terrace due to the overreaction of the Taylor Report. Phil Garty is high up in the FA and a bit of a rent-a-quote. Phil should come out in support of "safe terracing" and get those wheels in motion. 4 Euro aways and I didn't sit in a seat once. The atmosphere at Burnden could be poor, and often was. But who remembers the game against Burnley in Division 4? There were about 10,000 on and it was electric. A full Burnden was always one of the most intimidating football grounds in the country. The Reebok can be ok when it's full, but these days you need to take the lead against Man Utd to spark it into action. Make sure it's full every week and the atmosphere will grow. I quite enjoyed listening to the Junior Whites in the South Stand, reminded me of the Lever End. Without that, the crowd would have been close to 20,000 i.e. just season ticket holders. Proof ordinary matches are way overpriced. Why only Junior Whites? They are already converts, get tickets out there into the community. BWFC Plc panders to the corporate support, in my opinion, excessively. Obviously they are a necessary evil, but an evil none the less. Treat them as such, take their money and leave it at that. Don't treat them as preferred customers, they aren't at the end of the day. Same goes for the Lion of Vienna crowd. Lastly, provide incentives for attending matches, both cup and away. The "proven" voucher system is a farce. A ladder system like the one EnglandFans run would undoubtably increase our away support. Points obtained could be used to offer discounts on future season tickets etc. This may mean getting rid of the flop that is Teamcard.
SatanGreavsie Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 The discount on future season ticket idea is a good one. Indeed, why not take the incentive idea a stage further and say that as of now our final league position will determine the ST renewal price, ie knock ??10 off the renewal price for every place higher than 10th we finish. Bearing in mind that every place is worth ??500k and we have 20,000 ST holders, it follows we still make ??300k per place but with the crowd maybe more up for it there is the increased chance of Europe etc.....
HAPPY SHOP PIG Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 they should sort something out with the rail companys to get 2 decent sized specials (well advertised) one that leaves bolton about an hour and one 1/2 an hour before kick off, thus giving the fans the opportunity to drink in some decent pubs first. also they could sell season tickets which incorporate the cost of your train fare
bristol_wanderer Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 I agree that the club could do more. They could, for example, issue loyalty points on a basis that rewards attendance at the less attractive home games and use the points as a basis for tciket alllocation preference. But isn't there more the fans can do also. The team/club are doing more than we have the right to expect on the pitch, we have a manager who loves the club and the fans, and whatever is said about him, a committed and astute chairman. The fans cannot have a gripe with anything to do with the club, perhaps with the exception of the cost of games, but that is football's issue rather than the club. Surely us, the fans should grasp the mettle, and start to conciously create an atmosphere worthy of the performances on the pitch?
Zico Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 I agree that the club could do more. They could, for example, issue loyalty points on a basis that rewards attendance at the less attractive home games and use the points as a basis for tciket alllocation preference. But isn't there more the fans can do also. The team/club are doing more than we have the right to expect on the pitch, we have a manager who loves the club and the fans, and whatever is said about him, a committed and astute chairman. The fans cannot have a gripe with anything to do with the club, perhaps with the exception of the cost of games, but that is football's issue rather than the club. Surely us, the fans should grasp the mettle, and start to conciously create an atmosphere worthy of the performances on the pitch? I agree with everything he said
SatanGreavsie Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 I agree that the club could do more. They could, for example, issue loyalty points on a basis that rewards attendance at the less attractive home games and use the points as a basis for tciket alllocation preference. But isn't there more the fans can do also. The team/club are doing more than we have the right to expect on the pitch, we have a manager who loves the club and the fans, and whatever is said about him, a committed and astute chairman. The fans cannot have a gripe with anything to do with the club, perhaps with the exception of the cost of games, but that is football's issue rather than the club. Surely us, the fans should grasp the mettle, and start to conciously create an atmosphere worthy of the performances on the pitch? aye, but nothing the club does at the Reebok is conducive to this - takes two to tango
andyacky Posted February 28, 2006 Posted February 28, 2006 I agree that the club could do more. They could, for example, issue loyalty points on a basis that rewards attendance at the less attractive home games and use the points as a basis for tciket alllocation preference. But isn't there more the fans can do also. The team/club are doing more than we have the right to expect on the pitch, we have a manager who loves the club and the fans, and whatever is said about him, a committed and astute chairman. The fans cannot have a gripe with anything to do with the club, perhaps with the exception of the cost of games, but that is football's issue rather than the club. Surely us, the fans should grasp the mettle, and start to conciously create an atmosphere worthy of the performances on the pitch? aye, but nothing the club does at the Reebok is conducive to this - takes two to tango i love bwfc been going since i were a lad but these days i feel like the club dont give a shite for the fans how can you create a atmosphere when you have orange coated dickheads telling you to sit down every 2 mins. one time i used to feel a part of the club now im not so sure the only time i enjoy matches is when we are away
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