Andybwfc Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 I can't imagine for a minute that Widnes will post sensible posts again, but my two penn'orth anyway - I agree with him When MOTD showed the Newcastle fans having a go at Allardyce I felt sorry for the guy. The Geordies are ars?holes and they'll never have success, they are incapable He is a modern BWFC legend, and the manner of his departure doesn't count for a solitary sh?t in my judgement of him. The only thing that I judge him on is getting us into Europe, to a cup final, and respected throughout the game I can't believe people are so hung up about things that happen all the time (I will take a break from football etc etc etc)...stop being so naive The expectations at Newcastle are a lot higher than of us. They think they have the divine right to be successful. My brother in law is a Geordie and when they appointed Big Sam he was talking of Champions League next season. Allardyce was the best thing since the Warby's Toasty Loaf when he first went there and last night he said "how the fuccck did we watch that type of football for 8 years". He already wants Allardyce sacking and is lining up Mouriniho or Shearer because Chairman Ashley as the dosh to attract the big names. Allardyce was under no pressure here but in Geordie land they really live in Cuckoo land! I want every team to struggle not only Newcastle because I simply want BWFC to do better!
Guest squidgy66 Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 Having read this thread with great interest, I have one simple question add to the great Allardyce-Newcastle debate. Who has got hold of Widder's password? Have to agree with the general sentiment on here re Allardyce being the best manager we have had and his achievements speak for themselves. Going back to the orignal point of the thread, there is a certain satisfaction to be had from seeing him fall flat on his face at Newcastle (managerially speaking). Especially at Newcastle because they are a fickle load of impatient f?ckers and that job is going to be more difficult to fill than the England post now because no f?cker in their right mind will want it if Allardyce goes in the near future.
Ani Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 you know if you can be arsed trawling back to the posts when fsa went to newcastle i made the point that the move can be a disaster fall all concerned. we lost the best manager in recent history. newcastle got a manager who would play 'practical' rather then flowing football. sam got a misguided deluded set of fans who think the fact they sell lots of replica shirts that they tkae off when it gets cold meand they have a god given right to be top six. it could alwys lead to a position no one was happy with and that is what has happened (yesterday excluded for us)
M'crayons Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 (edited) Widness, I agree with you mate - I feel no satisfaction at all at the fact that Newcastle are struggling. Those idiots should realise that it was always going to be a long term project turning them into a success, but they will never learn and they don't deserve Allardyce. Eighteen months ago, Allardyce knew he was the best candidate for the England job, and certainly better than McClaren, and not getting it was a blow he never recovered from. I don't blame Gartside or the Club for being unambitious - I think they showed great ambition during the Allardyce era - but Allardyce is a realist and I think he had gone stale on the Bolton job because he realised that he had probably come as far as he could with us. I don't begrudge him the opportunity to 'wake the sleeping giant' and make a shed-load of cash in the process. Yes the circumstances of his leaving were not ideal, but I do believe that it wasn't absolutely clear cut that he would go straight to Newcastle - Roeder was still in a job before Allardyce left us, for example - was Allardyce supposed to be the one to announce that Roeder was being sacked? Anyway, if I ever see Sam then I'll certainly shake his hand and buy him a pint. Edited November 25, 2007 by M'crayons
Garrp Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 I might be being naive again, but... We can't compare it to our job, as I for one am not emotionally involved with my employer. I prefer to compare it to your best mate of 8 years going off with your bird/wife. Even though you were best mates for X number of years, you would still want the f?cker to be stabbed repeatedly in the b?llocks.
Ani Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 I might be being naive again, but... We can't compare it to our job, as I for one am not emotionally involved with my employer. I prefer to compare it to your best mate of 8 years going off with your bird/wife. Even though you were best mates for X number of years, you would still want the f?cker to be stabbed repeatedly in the b?llocks. but if she offered you a blow job would you take it ? have you spoken to swifty since ?
trotter58 Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 I support BWFC not Sam Allardyce. People who leave under a cloud get stick. Michael Ricketts' goals kept us up in our first season but i don't remember anybody wishing him all the best when he left to 'better' himself.
Zozzy Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 I agree with Widnes when he talks about what he has done for the club, what he achieved etc. I would also shake his hand if I met him he is a Bolton Hero. At the same time I don't feel sorry for him at Newcastle and I would love it if we finished above Newcastle, I keep checking the points difference.
Mounts Kipper Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 I make no apologies for saying it but I will love it when Allardyce gets sacked, yes he was great for us but we were great for him, he pimped himself for the england job, Allardyce believed his own press, thought he could walk on water, he has proven that he was a good man manager but I can now see he is an average manager who got lucky at Bolton, his style of football was shocking I particularly hated his emphasis on long throws and his persistance of not allowing players to shoot from anywhere outside the box his midfield for the last 12 months lacked energy pace and drive only he could not see that, I think he now regrets his decision to leave bolton but it now looks like we have moved on and put the Allardyce years behind us.
Whites man Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 Given the way he left, the poaching of staff, the tapping up of players (the rumour is more will follow Faye in January) and the bung taking then the schadenfreude is completely understandable. I was cheering in the Scouse goals last night, cannot remember ever doing that before
Ratwhite Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 Sacked by Christmas and back in Bromley Cross
passmosster Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 Sacked by Christmas and back in Bromley Cross He won't take any in January. When Fred Barber turned him down, it told me that he was a busted flush.
Ratwhite Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 He won't take any in January. When Fred Barber turned him down, it told me that he was a busted flush. He can come and take Braaten
boltonways Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 He can come and take Braaten I think we too easily forget the contribution from Phil Brown to Allardyces success. It's, in some ways, good to see he's doing fairly well at Hull.
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 BSA took Bolton to a level I thought I would never see in a lifetime. We will miss his ability to spot and bring talent from abroad. I fear for his future as the barcodes will not give him the time he needs. Could be out by Xmas if he loses many more games. According to the sunday times the players dont like his modern training methods.
tyldesley_white Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 BSA took Bolton to a level I thought I would never see in a lifetime. We will miss his ability to spot and bring talent from abroad. I fear for his future as the barcodes will not give him the time he needs. Could be out by Xmas if he loses many more games. According to the sunday times the players dont like his modern training methods. Dont like training hard
Smiffs Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 What be they they? Actually doing some? If ever there was an overhyed underperforming primadonna culture then I'd say Newcastle would be up there with the best.
bristol_wanderer Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 I make no apologies for saying it but I will love it when Allardyce gets sacked, yes he was great for us but we were great for him, he pimped himself for the england job, Allardyce believed his own press, thought he could walk on water, he has proven that he was a good man manager but I can now see he is an average manager who got lucky at Bolton, his style of football was shocking I particularly hated his emphasis on long throws and his persistance of not allowing players to shoot from anywhere outside the box his midfield for the last 12 months lacked energy pace and drive only he could not see that, I think he now regrets his decision to leave bolton but it now looks like we have moved on and put the Allardyce years behind us. Was discussing this subject over what was a great footballing weekend. Apologies if any of the below is very similar to any of the previous 70 or so posts, but couldn't be bothered to read them all! I am in the hope he gets sacked camp. But not sour grapes - I think an Allardyce inspired, buoyant, trophy/top 4/6 challenging Newcastle side would be very bad for us. He could potentially attract anyone from this club to Newcastle under those circumstances (i.e. Jussi, Davies, Anelka, Diouf), and thus his shadow remains hanging over us. Also, at the moment Newcastle are of a similar standard to us, so if he fails that is one more team we will hopefully be beating. I am very grateful for what he did here, and IMO until the last year or so he was an excellent manager. His ego just grew too much and now he is writing in Zoo magazine, his pictured arriving at the Newcastle job getting out of a helicopter (celeb style), and criticizes CL winning managers having won nothing himself as a player or manager. And all this whilst becoming a one dimensinal manager playing 70s tactics. When Djorkaeff and Okocha were here with Davies, we had a great combination of attractive but robust football. What I can't believe is that he has gone there and openly declared his intention to turn them into the new Bolton. Does he realise that this is so insulting to them? Still entertaining to see some of their fans responses. I always thought he was dying to play an expansive style but didn't have the money or the players to do so, but now with Owen, Martins, Viduka he plays long punts upfield. Crazy. He will live to regret leaving here IMO, but we have perhaps come out of this better off, with Megson appearing to be showing signs of being as capable if not more so than BSA.
no balls Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 Looks from this forum like the Geordie fans are keener for him to be sacked than most on here. Almost every thread is relating to his departure: http://www.nufc-forum.com/nufcforum/index.php?board=2.0
exiledwhite2 Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 Looks from this forum like the Geordie fans are keener for him to be sacked than most on here. Almost every thread is relating to his departure: http://www.nufc-forum.com/nufcforum/index.php?board=2.0 No surprise though is it Ignorant c?nts with expectations WAY above their station, realistically.
ph31 Posted November 25, 2007 Author Posted November 25, 2007 The man looks utterly clueless at a 'big' club with money to spend, he's truely fcuked things up at newcastle and will be gone by christmas. And for one I cant wait to see it happen. He's spent too much time getting his mug in the press, doing the whole 'I'm a great manager' act and lost sight of what made him successful for us. He thought he could go there, spend some money, bring in some defenders and a big backroom team and all newcastles problems would be solved.
Smiley Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 A tale of two clubs. One willing to let their manager have a 5-year-plan. Another letting their manager say its the start of a 5-year-plan - but in reality putting him on a 6 month probation period. Big fish in a small pond. Small fish in a big pond. Given the time, the backing and understanding of the supporters and a few bob to spend on players - I fully expect Allardyce to make Newcastle a top 6 team. Unfortunately, whilst he is doing this, the big 4 teams are already pulling further away financially. The footballing giants of Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton and dare I say Manchester City are now competing in a 4-team sub-league below the big 4. And Newcastle are currently 3rd. City are having a freakish start to the season. Pompey have the players and moral this season - but unless they move away from Fratton Park they cannot sustain this. Give Sam 12 months and he'll be well on his way to success. Do I take joy from Newcastle losing? Of course I do. They're a bigger club than us and its great to see them doing sh1te.
Ani Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 A tale of two clubs.One willing to let their manager have a 5-year-plan. Another letting their manager say its the start of a 5-year-plan - but in reality putting him on a 6 month probation period. Big fish in a small pond. Small fish in a big pond. Given the time, the backing and understanding of the supporters and a few bob to spend on players - I fully expect Allardyce to make Newcastle a top 6 team. Unfortunately, whilst he is doing this, the big 4 teams are already pulling further away financially. The footballing giants of Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton and dare I say Manchester City are now competing in a 4-team sub-league below the big 4. And Newcastle are currently 3rd. City are having a freakish start to the season. Pompey have the players and moral this season - but unless they move away from Fratton Park they cannot sustain this. Give Sam 12 months and he'll be well on his way to success. Do I take joy from Newcastle losing? Of course I do. They're a bigger club than us and its great to see them doing sh1te. before we were in the premiership i liked teams like everton,spurs,newcastle and city, but now we are competing with them, i find their fans as annoying as those of united. they seem to think they have god given right to be competing at the top level, and no one else is allowed to mess this up for them. on the other hand they sleag off fans of the big4 for thinking they are the big4.
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