booed off at half time, lucky to be only 1 down and given lucky not to have been sent off. only had 1 shot on goal in the first half and struggling to put 2 passes together. Time is running out for big sam. would you have him back at the reebok??

Having read this thread with great interest, I have one simple question add to the great Allardyce-Newcastle debate.

 

Who has got hold of Widder's password?

 

Have to agree with the general sentiment on here re Allardyce being the best manager we have had and his achievements speak for themselves.

 

Going back to the orignal point of the thread, there is a certain satisfaction to be had from seeing him fall flat on his face at Newcastle (managerially speaking). Especially at Newcastle because they are a fickle load of impatient f?ckers and that job is going to be more difficult to fill than the England post now because no f?cker in their right mind will want it if Allardyce goes in the near future.

you know if you can be arsed trawling back to the posts when fsa went to newcastle i made the point that the move can be a disaster fall all concerned.

 

we lost the best manager in recent history.

 

newcastle got a manager who would play 'practical' rather then flowing football.

 

sam got a misguided deluded set of fans who think the fact they sell lots of replica shirts that they tkae off when it gets cold meand they have a god given right to be top six.

 

 

it could alwys lead to a position no one was happy with and that is what has happened (yesterday excluded for us)

Widness, I agree with you mate - I feel no satisfaction at all at the fact that Newcastle are struggling.

 

Those idiots should realise that it was always going to be a long term project turning them into a success, but they will never learn and they don't deserve Allardyce.

 

Eighteen months ago, Allardyce knew he was the best candidate for the England job, and certainly better than McClaren, and not getting it was a blow he never recovered from. I don't blame Gartside or the Club for being unambitious - I think they showed great ambition during the Allardyce era - but Allardyce is a realist and I think he had gone stale on the Bolton job because he realised that he had probably come as far as he could with us. I don't begrudge him the opportunity to 'wake the sleeping giant' and make a shed-load of cash in the process. Yes the circumstances of his leaving were not ideal, but I do believe that it wasn't absolutely clear cut that he would go straight to Newcastle - Roeder was still in a job before Allardyce left us, for example - was Allardyce supposed to be the one to announce that Roeder was being sacked?

 

Anyway, if I ever see Sam then I'll certainly shake his hand and buy him a pint.

Edited November 25, 200718 yr by M'crayons

I might be being naive again, but...

 

We can't compare it to our job, as I for one am not emotionally involved with my employer.

 

I prefer to compare it to your best mate of 8 years going off with your bird/wife. Even though you were best mates for X number of years, you would still want the f?cker to be stabbed repeatedly in the b?llocks.

I might be being naive again, but...

 

We can't compare it to our job, as I for one am not emotionally involved with my employer.

 

I prefer to compare it to your best mate of 8 years going off with your bird/wife. Even though you were best mates for X number of years, you would still want the f?cker to be stabbed repeatedly in the b?llocks.

 

 

but if she offered you a blow job would you take it ?

 

have you spoken to swifty since ?

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I support BWFC not Sam Allardyce. People who leave under a cloud get stick. Michael Ricketts' goals kept us up in our first season but i don't remember anybody wishing him all the best when he left to 'better' himself.

I agree with Widnes when he talks about what he has done for the club, what he achieved etc. I would also shake his hand if I met him he is a Bolton Hero.

At the same time I don't feel sorry for him at Newcastle and I would love it if we finished above Newcastle, I keep checking the points difference.

I make no apologies for saying it but I will love it when Allardyce gets sacked, yes he was great for us but we were great for him, he pimped himself for the england job, Allardyce believed his own press, thought he could walk on water, he has proven that he was a good man manager but I can now see he is an average manager who got lucky at Bolton, his style of football was shocking I particularly hated his emphasis on long throws and his persistance of not allowing players to shoot from anywhere outside the box his midfield for the last 12 months lacked energy pace and drive only he could not see that, I think he now regrets his decision to leave bolton but it now looks like we have moved on and put the Allardyce years behind us.

Given the way he left, the poaching of staff, the tapping up of players (the rumour is more will follow Faye in January) and the bung taking then the schadenfreude is completely understandable. I was cheering in the Scouse goals last night, cannot remember ever doing that before

Sacked by Christmas and back in Bromley Cross

Sacked by Christmas and back in Bromley Cross

 

He won't take any in January. When Fred Barber turned him down, it told me that he was a busted flush.

He won't take any in January. When Fred Barber turned him down, it told me that he was a busted flush.

 

 

He can come and take Braaten

He can come and take Braaten

 

I think we too easily forget the contribution from Phil Brown to Allardyces success. It's, in some ways, good to see he's doing fairly well at Hull.

BSA took Bolton to a level I thought I would never see in a lifetime. We will miss his ability to spot and bring talent from abroad.

 

I fear for his future as the barcodes will not give him the time he needs. Could be out by Xmas if he loses many more games. According to the sunday times the players dont like his modern training methods.

BSA took Bolton to a level I thought I would never see in a lifetime. We will miss his ability to spot and bring talent from abroad.

 

I fear for his future as the barcodes will not give him the time he needs. Could be out by Xmas if he loses many more games. According to the sunday times the players dont like his modern training methods.

Dont like training hard

What be they they?

 

Actually doing some?

 

If ever there was an overhyed underperforming primadonna culture then I'd say Newcastle would be up there with the best.

I make no apologies for saying it but I will love it when Allardyce gets sacked, yes he was great for us but we were great for him, he pimped himself for the england job, Allardyce believed his own press, thought he could walk on water, he has proven that he was a good man manager but I can now see he is an average manager who got lucky at Bolton, his style of football was shocking I particularly hated his emphasis on long throws and his persistance of not allowing players to shoot from anywhere outside the box his midfield for the last 12 months lacked energy pace and drive only he could not see that, I think he now regrets his decision to leave bolton but it now looks like we have moved on and put the Allardyce years behind us.

 

Was discussing this subject over what was a great footballing weekend. Apologies if any of the below is very similar to any of the previous 70 or so posts, but couldn't be bothered to read them all!

 

I am in the hope he gets sacked camp.

 

But not sour grapes - I think an Allardyce inspired, buoyant, trophy/top 4/6 challenging Newcastle side would be very bad for us. He could potentially attract anyone from this club to Newcastle under those circumstances (i.e. Jussi, Davies, Anelka, Diouf), and thus his shadow remains hanging over us. Also, at the moment Newcastle are of a similar standard to us, so if he fails that is one more team we will hopefully be beating.

 

I am very grateful for what he did here, and IMO until the last year or so he was an excellent manager. His ego just grew too much and now he is writing in Zoo magazine, his pictured arriving at the Newcastle job getting out of a helicopter (celeb style), and criticizes CL winning managers having won nothing himself as a player or manager. And all this whilst becoming a one dimensinal manager playing 70s tactics. When Djorkaeff and Okocha were here with Davies, we had a great combination of attractive but robust football.

 

What I can't believe is that he has gone there and openly declared his intention to turn them into the new Bolton. Does he realise that this is so insulting to them? Still entertaining to see some of their fans responses. I always thought he was dying to play an expansive style but didn't have the money or the players to do so, but now with Owen, Martins, Viduka he plays long punts upfield. Crazy. He will live to regret leaving here IMO, but we have perhaps come out of this better off, with Megson appearing to be showing signs of being as capable if not more so than BSA.

Looks from this forum like the Geordie fans are keener for him to be sacked than most on here. Almost every thread is relating to his departure:

 

http://www.nufc-forum.com/nufcforum/index.php?board=2.0

Looks from this forum like the Geordie fans are keener for him to be sacked than most on here. Almost every thread is relating to his departure:

 

http://www.nufc-forum.com/nufcforum/index.php?board=2.0

 

No surprise though is it

 

Ignorant c?nts with expectations WAY above their station, realistically.

The man looks utterly clueless at a 'big' club with money to spend, he's truely fcuked things up at newcastle and will be gone by christmas. And for one I cant wait to see it happen. He's spent too much time getting his mug in the press, doing the whole 'I'm a great manager' act and lost sight of what made him successful for us. He thought he could go there, spend some money, bring in some defenders and a big backroom team and all newcastles problems would be solved.

A tale of two clubs.

One willing to let their manager have a 5-year-plan.

Another letting their manager say its the start of a 5-year-plan - but in reality putting him on a 6 month probation period.

 

Big fish in a small pond.

Small fish in a big pond.

 

Given the time, the backing and understanding of the supporters and a few bob to spend on players - I fully expect Allardyce to make Newcastle a top 6 team.

 

Unfortunately, whilst he is doing this, the big 4 teams are already pulling further away financially.

 

The footballing giants of Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton and dare I say Manchester City are now competing in a 4-team sub-league below the big 4. And Newcastle are currently 3rd. City are having a freakish start to the season. Pompey have the players and moral this season - but unless they move away from Fratton Park they cannot sustain this. Give Sam 12 months and he'll be well on his way to success.

 

Do I take joy from Newcastle losing? Of course I do. They're a bigger club than us and its great to see them doing sh1te.

A tale of two clubs.

One willing to let their manager have a 5-year-plan.

Another letting their manager say its the start of a 5-year-plan - but in reality putting him on a 6 month probation period.

 

Big fish in a small pond.

Small fish in a big pond.

 

Given the time, the backing and understanding of the supporters and a few bob to spend on players - I fully expect Allardyce to make Newcastle a top 6 team.

 

Unfortunately, whilst he is doing this, the big 4 teams are already pulling further away financially.

 

The footballing giants of Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton and dare I say Manchester City are now competing in a 4-team sub-league below the big 4. And Newcastle are currently 3rd. City are having a freakish start to the season. Pompey have the players and moral this season - but unless they move away from Fratton Park they cannot sustain this. Give Sam 12 months and he'll be well on his way to success.

 

Do I take joy from Newcastle losing? Of course I do. They're a bigger club than us and its great to see them doing sh1te.

 

before we were in the premiership i liked teams like everton,spurs,newcastle and city, but now we are competing with them, i find their fans as annoying as those of united.

 

they seem to think they have god given right to be competing at the top level, and no one else is allowed to mess this up for them.

 

on the other hand they sleag off fans of the big4 for thinking they are the big4.

From Newcastle Online

 

Will Allardyce learn from his mistakes?

By Happy Face On Sat 24 Nov 2007

 

If you only read the papers you?d be forgiven for thinking that Newcastle fans can?t wait to see the back of Big Sam Allardyce. He?s been underperforming and Mike ?The Gut? Ashley has already got his eye on possible replacements, with current over-performer and lover of the North East Harry Redknapp the latest apparent target. Points must be taken from our difficult run of three games or the managers position will be untenable, apparently. Of course, the more sensible among us who chat about this stuff over a pint and a pie know that this is complete hokum. We don?t like to see four goals conceded at home, and some might even boo when it happens, but I?ve yet to meet a fan who even privately wants rid, let alone one that?s gone so far as to try starting a chant of ?We want fat Sam out? which would surely be met by derision from all around. It is safe in this knowledge that we must still be able to question a few of the new man?s decisions in the hope that he won?t repeat his mistakes; here are (in my opinion) his biggest gaffes?.

 

Rebuilding the defence

It?s a long held consensus opinion that Newcastle?s defence is a joke. The fact that it?s bollocks shouldn?t get in the way of Lawro and Hansen having a jolly old laugh at every defensive error we might make. Of course our defence didn?t actually do too bad last year. We conceded less than Tottenham, Blackburn and Bolton anyway, and they all finished well above us. No, our problem was always attacking; we didn?t score enough because we had ?17M in the physio room all year and ?10M doing the grease lightning in the reserves.

On the day he arrived at Newcastle though, Allardyce showed the door to a host of defensive players. His decision was generally greeted with approval. The players made to walk the plank were deemed either surplus to requirements (correctly - Srnicek, and Bernard) or not to be good enough for Newcastle United (Bramble and Moore). Oguchi Onyewu probably fell somewhere between the two. The approval at the time was given in the belief that better replacements would be brought in.

 

Unfortunately the renovation work done on our back four has been a job done on the cheap. Allardyce has replaced like for like, but the new players had none of the benefit of joining an existing unit that?s already gelled. Rather, they need plenty of time just to become as cohesive as the cobbled together ramshackle organisation that we already had. The ?13M spent on five or six defensive players would have been far better spent on bolstering what we already had with two players of real quality. Almost half that money may have gone on Enrique, but that doesn?t alter the fact that I can?t think of a game where we?ve put out a defense that includes 2 players who were acquainted before the season started.

 

In making a rash decision on players he?d seen very little of Allardyce suggested to me that he places little value in his own ability to evaluate a player. His decision was based entirely from an outsiders point of view, in order to cater to the perceived problems at the club rather than the actual problems he should?ve taken the time to assess for himself. This is a fact also backed up by his reliance on OPTA stats, he?s been their biggest supporter for years with his scientific approach, but why does he rely on them so much? It?s all there on the pitch, he watches all the games. He needs to start evaluating the problems he sees with his own eyes, not the ones that other people perceive or that the statistics might suggest.

 

The creative Spark

Newcastle have been dull to watch this year. We?ve been horrible in fact. For thirty minutes in the first game against Bolton I was impressed by the neat play, the enthusiasm and the dynamism of the team. I don?t know what was said at half time, but since then we?ve been as unimaginative as any time under Roeder. This belies the fact that we?re fifth top scorers in the league at the moment. We?ve put more in the net than Chelsea or Man City, and just as many as Liverpool. What have the fans got to complain about?

 

Well we aren?t scoring all these goals with any style or panache. If we were winning it wouldn?t be a problem, but without points or pleasure it?s just self flagellation. It was my main concern when Allardyce arrived, he?s never been known for his attractive style of play and as much as people insisted he was just what was needed to sort us out, I always wondered if the Toon Army had the patience to sit through his boring football. I knew they would when we won, but a short run of defeats without really asking much of the opposition can see all that turn to nothing.

 

So Allardyce?s second big mistake was selling Dyer and Solano. In doing so, he let two of our most creative players go. In replacing them with Geremi and Barton, he indicated exactly what we as supporters had to look forward to. For nine games he got away with it, because we never went three games without a win or two without a point on our way to our ?best start in 10 years? and all of that, but as soon as a few results in a row have gone against him the pressure is on. Just three winless games has been enough to raise hackles, no-one was complaining about Zoggy being played out of position before the Reading game, no-one was that bothered about the long ball being employed to supply two of the more dwarf-like strikers in the league. If Allardyce is going to survive the odd barren run that every team has, he?s going to have to change the style of play (either that or win every other game which you can never guarantee). It shouldn?t even require a great deal of spending in January. If you play our existing midfielders in their natural positions they should be more than capable of passing and moving with pace rather than being bypassed completely by a ball over their heads, which leads me onto his last big mistake?.

 

The backroom staff

It seems that Allardyce came into the club believing that an overhaul was required from top to bottom, as well as the revitalised boardroom that he had nothing to do with we?ve had the changes of personnel listed above. The players that remain have talked about his new methods of varying training times, meal times, emphasis on fitness etc. The years of injury crisis seem to have abated somewhat so it?s only the odd bit of bad luck we have to put up with, rather than the constant flow of sick notes we?d become accustomed to. He?s obviously gone for a big shake up and it?s paid dividends in some places, but in my opinion he?s left the biggest obstacle in place. The one thing that remains from the days of Souness and Roeder is the backroom boys.

 

It?s a difficult one to argue, because so little of what the training staff do is actually visible to anyone off the training field, but very little seems to have changed in that regard, and what has changed has been forced. It?s just a personal doubt, but Terry McDeromott, Lee Clark and Nigel Pearson obviously had little to give to Souness or Roeder in their time at the club. Who can forget the image of Pearson slouched in his seat as if the ghost was well and truly given up when we had nothing to offer against Reading last season. Allardyce seems to have actively pursued change in all of the areas that grab the headlines, but maintained the status quo where there?s little publicity.

 

Steve Round has been the only unforced change that Allardyce has chosen to make in this area, while Terry Mac and Nigel Pearson remain in place despite being part of the backroom team that have twice been deemed unacceptable for our club. What also remains a constant is the unmotivated, lackluster performances from players we all know can do better; they just need the benefit of tactical guidance.

 

It may be unfair of me, the coaches that remain might have been as exasperated as everyone with managers who refused to budge on tactics, but I can?t believe that upon arrival at the club two of Big Sam?s first choices of first team coach were already at the club, why hasn?t he been chasing down his own preferred people? People he knows and respects and could feel assured share his vision which they could impart to the playing staff? In settling for men who?ve adapted to which ever incumbent was currently in charge in order to collect a pay packet I can?t help but think he?s settling for second best.