Ani Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 EDL rascists, but they should have the right to demonstrate but equally people have the right to demonstrate against them. Just because some black lads support them does not mean they are nt, black people and brown people and yellow people can be rascists as well it is not a whites only club.
KP Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 What the EDL stand for, peaceful protest's against militant islam, is clearly not racist. I'm sure many of it's members are also not racist because they understand what the EDL is actually about. However, it is the uneducated, genuinely racist knuckle draggers who give it the bad name, joining the bandwagon without a clue about what the EDL stand for.
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 What the EDL stand for, peaceful protest's against militant islam, is clearly not racist. I'm sure many of it's members are also not racist because they understand what the EDL is actually about. However, it is the uneducated, genuinely racist knuckle draggers who give it the bad name, joining the bandwagon without a clue about what the EDL stand for. I would go with that. I do have issues with Islam and all religions that advocate that a countries law must respect their beliefs above that of their democratically established laws. We have a situation now whereby child marriage, honour killings, forced marriages, female oppression and religious laws are happening in this country the 3 main parties turn a blind eye in case they lose votes. Being labelled a racist because I see the EDL as the only voice that stands up to these people rankles me somewhat
Casino Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 What the EDL stand for, peaceful protest's against militant islam, is clearly not racist. I'm sure many of it's members are also not racist because they understand what the EDL is actually about. However, it is the uneducated, genuinely racist knuckle draggers who give it the bad name, joining the bandwagon without a clue about what the EDL stand for. if they stood for what they claim to stand for, id support them but their agenda goes way beyond that theyre racists ill keep asking why the story about the asian rapist ffs he might not even be a muslim
Burndens Bogs Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Branding the EDL as racists is as bad as labelling all Muslims as extremists - not true on both counts.Fwiw i think most people are ok whatever religion or colour - it's just a small minority who fcuk it up for the rest.
Ani Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 What the EDL stand for, peaceful protest's against militant islam, is clearly not racist. I'm sure many of it's members are also not racist because they understand what the EDL is actually about. However, it is the uneducated, genuinely racist knuckle draggers who give it the bad name, joining the bandwagon without a clue about what the EDL stand for. fair point KP.
Spider Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I'll be there. I'm going to open a stall selling petrol bombs and poppadoms.
kent_white Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I'm devastated these clowns are coming to my town. Why Bolton? Because we have a history of Islamic fundementalism? No. It's because we've got a large Asian community and they want to create social friction in a town which doesn't really have a problem with integration. Having a protest march about Islamic fundementalism is a bloody stupid idea anyway. Firstly, it's a bit like having a march against murder. It's obviously inherently wrong, so it's not like you have to raise awareness about it. Secondly, what are they expecting to achieve? Are they hoping some closet terrorist is going to see the march and see the error of his ways? Thirdly, it's massively counter productive. It'll drive a wedge between Muslims and non Muslims in the town, push us further apart and encourage the view that England is backward, racist society where they aren't welcome, which means they'll develop a seige mentality and retreat further into their own communities, making what is a well integrated town much less so. If it goes ahead, I'll have to decide whether to leave it well alone, or go into town and stand up and be counted as one of the Boltonians who hates what these bastards stands for. The problem is, does that mean they win? Will they have succeeded in doing what they set out to do? Create anger. Divide communities. Cause havoc. I hope it doesn't happen. Hate leads to more hate.
tyldesley_white Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I'm devastated these clowns are coming to my town. Why Bolton? Because we have a history of Islamic fundementalism? No. It's because we've got a large Asian community and they want to create social friction in a town which doesn't really have a problem with integration. Having a protest march about Islamic fundementalism is a bloody stupid idea anyway. Firstly, it's a bit like having a march against murder. It's obviously inherently wrong, so it's not like you have to raise awareness about it. Secondly, what are they expecting to achieve? Are they hoping some closet terrorist is going to see the march and see the error of his ways? Thirdly, it's massively counter productive. It'll drive a wedge between Muslims and non Muslims in the town, push us further apart and encourage the view that England is backward, racist society where they aren't welcome, which means they'll develop a seige mentality and retreat further into their own communities, making what is a well integrated town much less so. If it goes ahead, I'll have to decide whether to leave it well alone, or go into town and stand up and be counted as one of the Boltonians who hates what these bastards stands for. The problem is, does that mean they win? Will they have succeeded in doing what they set out to do? Create anger. Divide communities. Cause havoc. I hope it doesn't happen. Hate leads to more hate.
no balls Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I'm devastated these clowns are coming to my town. Why Bolton? Because we have a history of Islamic fundementalism? No. It's because we've got a large Asian community and they want to create social friction in a town which doesn't really have a problem with integration. Having a protest march about Islamic fundementalism is a bloody stupid idea anyway. Firstly, it's a bit like having a march against murder. It's obviously inherently wrong, so it's not like you have to raise awareness about it. Secondly, what are they expecting to achieve? Are they hoping some closet terrorist is going to see the march and see the error of his ways? Thirdly, it's massively counter productive. It'll drive a wedge between Muslims and non Muslims in the town, push us further apart and encourage the view that England is backward, racist society where they aren't welcome, which means they'll develop a seige mentality and retreat further into their own communities, making what is a well integrated town much less so. If it goes ahead, I'll have to decide whether to leave it well alone, or go into town and stand up and be counted as one of the Boltonians who hates what these bastards stands for. The problem is, does that mean they win? Will they have succeeded in doing what they set out to do? Create anger. Divide communities. Cause havoc. I hope it doesn't happen. Hate leads to more hate. Being unable to see someone's face doesn't help with integration either. If I were cynical I'd wonder why 20 years ago Muslim women in this country rarely wore those ridiculous veils but now, it's far more prevalent & think it might be to court controversy.
kent_white Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Funny you should mention that. On Newsnight a couple of months ago, the leaders of the EDL invited a reporter to a deserted warehouse for an interview. There were about ten burly White blokes there in balaclavas who began by burning a Nazi flag which they maintained, proved they weren't racist. A few questions into the interview, the reporter asked why the need for all the cloak and dagger, veiled face business. 'because were afraid of reprisals' was the reply. The reporter asked why if they are a legitimate protest group were they afraid to show their faces? Implying that they should have courage in their convictions if they were the leaders of what had become by now quite a significant political movement. The spokesman was very disgruntled about this and made the arguement that the balaclavas were no more intimidating than a woman wearing a veil. The reporter, despite being visibly nervous, said that surely, the leaders of the EDL could make the distinction between a bunch of big blokes wearing balaclavas whilst stood in front of EDL flags in the dead of night in a deserted warehouse whilst burning swastikas was a little more scary than a woman in a veil withdrawing money from a cash machine outside tesco's? These were the leaders, and this is the mentality. I'm sure it's on Youtube. Watch it, it's an eye opener. Personally, I haven't got a problem with people wearing a veil. It's their head, it's their money, let 'em wear one if they want to. I really don't see what the big deal is. It's not really a valid arguement anyway. The EDL aren't marching against veils are they? They're marching against 'islamic fundementalism'......
no balls Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Personally, I haven't got a problem with people wearing a veil. It's their head, it's their money, let 'em wear one if they want to. I really don't see what the big deal is. I am not a fan of EDL, so your comments on the balaclavas are moot to me, I have little affliantion with those people. I don't fear the veil, I find it a sad state affairs in a so called civilised society. The big deal is if you are unable to fully communicate with someone then why bother, tbh I do not see them as humans, just a pile of black clothing & therefore would not communicate with them. You might not have an issue with it, I do. We live in a society where such things really should not be the norm & unfortunately it is becoming acceptable, as your having no issue with it proves. If you disagree with the march, then you go out and show them. You are fortunate in this country you have the right to do that with little fear of being shot by the authorities.
Casino Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 i only know one girl who wears the niqab - the full veil and nobody tells her what to do she does it cos she wants to wear it 'i know i look like a bloody postbox but i want to wear it' shes got a cracking sense of humour and a thick yorkshire accent..often thought it'd be great for people to meet her and chat with her she was aware of the reaction of people to her so didn't feel comfortable wearing it at work, so she didn't
no balls Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 i only know one girl who wears the niqab - the full veil and nobody tells her what to do she does it cos she wants to wear it 'i know i look like a bloody postbox but i want to wear it' shes got a cracking sense of humour and a thick yorkshire accent..often thought it'd be great for people to meet her and chat with her she was aware of the reaction of people to her so didn't feel comfortable wearing it at work, so she didn't Bully for her. As I said, if you can't see a person's face , you can't see their emotions, hence, why would anyone know she's a great girl. She's not helping herself, but it's her perogative, same as mine to not take her on.
victor meldrew Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I'll be there. I'm going to open a stall selling petrol bombs and poppadoms. i hate derek trotter types, making a quick buck from any cicumstances.
SatanGreavsie Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 I am not a fan of EDL, so your comments on the balaclavas are moot to me, I have little affliantion with those people. I don't fear the veil, I find it a sad state affairs in a so called civilised society. aye, mutilating kids, wearing a uniform and setting up your own courts, all in the name of religion. bad do. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7233040.stm
no balls Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 aye, mutilating kids, wearing a uniform and setting up your own courts, all in the name of religion. bad do. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7233040.stm If aimed at me, I don't follow any religion, so again, another moot point.
bolty58 Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 Kent and Casino. We are worlds apart in more ways than one. Just explain to me how, by wrapping themselves in the cross of St. George, someone becomes a racist. Utter dogshit. I go back to my point with one of the other resident lefties. Go ahead and get the EDL march banned. Nothing could further the cause of the EDL in Bolton more. Unfortunately, listening to the left for decades has got us into the position we are now in. Have to agree with the comment about the BNP and NF. Too easy for anti patriots to point the finger at the knuckledraggers and miss the point. Just look at Casinos comments in this thread. Might be an idea to start keeping a score of the 'r' word to see if it's a (stuck) record.
Gonk Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 As I see it, all minority groups should be allowed to express themselves, as long as they do it lawfully. The general public can then make their own mind up about whether they would like to associate themsleves with it.
SatanGreavsie Posted January 27, 2010 Posted January 27, 2010 If aimed at me, I don't follow any religion, so again, another moot point. Aye, of course it's moot - we're debating it after all. But in the end if we're going to focus on the stupid extremes of religions and the hypocrisy they entail then we can't be selective, hence the cartoon in the last but one Private Eye (click to enlarge):
Smiffs Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 If we're trying to retain our English identity and culture with pissing anyone off, I suggest getting this lot on the streets. I'm sure there'll still be some leftie millitant still pissing the bed though.
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 social friction in a town which doesn't really have a problem with integration. See below Having a protest march about Islamic fundementalism is a bloody stupid idea anyway. Tell that to the relatives of those who died in 11/7 or 9/11 and why are our boys and girls still fighting in the middle East? Secondly, what are they expecting to achieve? Are they hoping some closet terrorist is going to see the march and see the error of his ways? I believe they are making a line in the sand to say that people are sick and tired of hearing what Islam wants retreat further into their own communities, making what is a well integrated town much less so. How can they retreat further into their communities when you say above the town does not have a problem with integration? They do not want to integrate which is the crux of the matter. They want there own law and culture to be established world wide and that is the doctrine of Islam. I am sick to death of the silence of so called moderate islam when it comes to condeming the extremists amongst them. Instead what do we get this week from the Muslim Council of Britain in reaction to the latest Anjem Choudrey outburst??? A complaint to the government that the outrage expressed against it is somehow Islamophobic.....always the victims eh?
MickyD Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 social friction in a town which doesn't really have a problem with integration. See below No problem with integration? How come, then, we still have areas of Lower Astley Bridge, Daubhill/deane and parts of great Lever that are predominently Asian? There is obviously a difference between KentWhite's idea of integration and mine! Having a protest march about Islamic fundementalism is a bloody stupid idea anyway. Tell that to the relatives of those who died in 11/7 or 9/11 and why are our boys and girls still fighting in the middle East? Also, what other way is there? It's not like there could be a meaningful TV debate. Nick Griffiths found that out recently. A march through Bolton will show the EDL the support they have (Or the support they don't have!) Secondly, what are they expecting to achieve? Are they hoping some closet terrorist is going to see the march and see the error of his ways? I believe they are making a line in the sand to say that people are sick and tired of hearing what Islam wants When in Rome, do as the Romans do! Never a truer phrase which just about encapsulates all that is wrong in our Central Government, who just roll over and have their collective bellies rubbed by a very large group of individuals because they [the govt.] feel they could be potential voters. Maybe this series of marches will show the Government that the actual vote winner may just be the party who decides that having an opinion of the level of immigration, or an opinion on radical extremism isn't necessarily a racist opinion. retreat further into their own communities, making what is a well integrated town much less so. How can they retreat further into their communities when you say above the town does not have a problem with integration? They do not want to integrate which is the crux of the matter. They want there own law and culture to be established world wide and that is the doctrine of Islam. I am sick to death of the silence of so called moderate islam when it comes to condeming the extremists amongst them. Instead what do we get this week from the Muslim Council of Britain in reaction to the latest Anjem Choudrey outburst??? A complaint to the government that the outrage expressed against it is somehow Islamophobic.....always the victims eh? See my first viewpoint (above). There are definate areas in which, generally, Asians choose to live. They could live anywhere but feel safety in numbers. Not the sign of a fully integratedsociety by any stretch of the imagination!
frank_spencer Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 Never had any issues with muslims. Lived with a nigerian muslim for 2 years top bloke and his mam was the best cook in the known universe. One of my best freinds as a small child was a pakistani muslim who's favourite things were He-Man and the A-team the same as me. One of my closest friends at the moment is an indian muslim lass who to be fair is probably the worlds worst muslim, western clothes/doesn't really go to prayers etc The vast majority of muslims that live in one big group is so they are near a mosque/community centre along witht heir friends and family. All that marches like this will achive is to create more fuel for the 2 extremes. I don't think you should be able to wear the full face covering in certain situations for example in the bank/shop/petrol station, working in a public facing job and whilst driving. but if people want to wear it the rest of the time then fair fucks to em.
Casino Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 Just explain to me how, by wrapping themselves in the cross of St. George, someone becomes a racist. Utter dogshit. i didn't say it did I go back to my point with one of the other resident lefties. Go ahead and get the EDL march banned. Nothing could further the cause of the EDL in Bolton more. i ainta leftie and i didn't ever suggest banning the march Have to agree with the comment about the BNP and NF. Too easy for anti patriots to point the finger at the knuckledraggers and miss the point. Just look at Casinos comments in this thread. Might be an idea to start keeping a score of the 'r' word to see if it's a (stuck) record. anti patriot...what the fcuk is an anti patriot if its somebody that doesn't judge folk by the clour of their skin...guilty as charged i don't know how slowly i have to say this, but i'll try again i'd guess many supporters of the edl aren't racists i'd guess just as many are many are the organisation is racist...otherwise they wouldn't have that story on their newspage
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