Smiffs Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 I agree with Ani completely. After witnessing it all first hand, he cant beleive how well organized, the EDL are, everything down to using the toilet 'We can use a toilet, we can use a toilet, na na na na'
Freddie_Hill Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 The UAF/ANaL should be eradicated, after all you wouldn't tolerate bedbugs or cockroaches in your home would you?
wanderers123 Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Is it safe to come out yet? Apparently not, theres Militant Islamics everywere planning to blow us all up! But help is on the way! theres a bunch of skinheads who march through towns and cities in the UK fighting for our freedom!
Carlos Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Apparently not, theres Militant Islamics everywere planning to blow us all up! But help is on the way! theres a bunch of skinheads who march through towns and cities in the UK fighting for our freedom! They didn't march through my town as they were surrounded by poofs, communists and soap dodgers who'd used their presence as an excuse to have a ruck with the law.
wanderers123 Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 They didn't march through my town as they were surrounded by poofs, communists and soap dodgers who'd used their presence as an excuse to have a ruck with the law. they was opposing the EDL (who mostly followed by small minded bigots) to show that they are not welcome!
no balls Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 they was opposing the EDL (who mostly followed by small minded bigots) to show that they are not welcome! I thought your lot were against profiling, etc? So they're a majority of skin heads and bigots, yet you probably haven't even spent any time finding out the facts. Have you read the media today? It seems your friends have scored an enormous own goal by being unable to behave in a civil manner in a town they've probably never visited before (yes, I'm making an assummption too if we're all at it!)
bolty58 Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 For once Diddles has posted summert sensible. He hasn't. It's nonsense. The only way it could have been more meaningless to the debate would have been if he'd rapped it on Youtube. This thread has run to 29 pages so far. Tell me this level of interest has not been replicated in pubs, clubs and anywhere else people talk. The EDL has succeeded in getting the issue at the forefront of peoples minds. Their asinine opposition has unwittingly assisted in this achievement.
wanderers123 Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 I thought your lot were against profiling, etc? So they're a majority of skin heads and bigots, yet you probably haven't even spent any time finding out the facts. Have you read the media today? It seems your friends have scored an enormous own goal by being unable to behave in a civil manner in a town they've probably never visited before (yes, I'm making an assummption too if we're all at it!) your saying your friends...as if im in the UAF. im just a normal lad who doesnt want the EDL marching through bolton. the majority of people on the opposite end to the EDL were normal bolton folk and NOT part of any organisation. Most of the things thats been said about the UAF on here, ive agreed with. EDLs ideology YES, the way they go about it and its typical followers NO!
no balls Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 your saying your friends...as if im in the UAF. im just a normal lad who doesnt want the EDL marching through bolton. the majority of people on the opposite end to the EDL were normal bolton folk and NOT part of any organisation. Most of the things thats been said about the UAF on here, ive agreed with. EDLs ideology YES, the way they go about it and its typical followers NO! Now I know you really haven't researched this properly.
Carlos Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 they was opposing the EDL (who mostly followed by small minded bigots) to show that they are not welcome! No shit. Who the fuck do they think they are deciding who is and isn't welcome in our town then?
Pablo Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Did anyone see that sign from a UAF fella ? Eeee Daft Lads !!!!
Ani Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 your saying your friends...as if im in the UAF. im just a normal lad who doesnt want the EDL marching through bolton. the majority of people on the opposite end to the EDL were normal bolton folk and NOT part of any organisation. Most of the things thats been said about the UAF on here, ive agreed with. EDLs ideology YES, the way they go about it and its typical followers NO! I am no fan of the EDL.....but 1. They did nt march 2. You agree with the ideology but do not want them to be allowed to express the view 3. So your objection is the typical follower I do not like the EDL because despite their publicised objectives I think there is a deeper and more sinister side to their intentions, the same reason i do not trust or like the BNP. However I do think they have every right to try and put over their views should be given the opportunity to convince people like me of their intentions. To try and stop someone having a view just because you do not agree (or strangely in your case agree) with it is a dangerous path. scratch the surface of the EDL i would not be surprised if you found something different than the public face but I would rather they had the chance to to prove me wrong then just denying them a platform
bolty58 Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 your saying your friends...as if im in the UAF. im just a normal lad who doesnt want the EDL marching through bolton. the majority of people on the opposite end to the EDL were normal bolton folk and NOT part of any organisation. Most of the things thats been said about the UAF on here, ive agreed with. EDLs ideology YES, the way they go about it and its typical followers NO! I was going to use the word 'imbecile' or 'cretin' but you are a paradox. You agree with the EDL's ideology but would deny them the right to promote it? You are still at school aren't you? If so, how could you have been in a pub knocking f?ck out of EDL knuckledragging gorillas?
Smiffs Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 No shit. Who the fuck do they think they are deciding who is and isn't welcome in our town then? Yeah! The facist pigs.
no balls Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Yeah! The facist pigs. I said that in a Young Ones Rik stylee then. I can see you in yellow dungarees, Smiffs.
Mounts Kipper Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Give me a march to protest against the UAF and ANL and I will definitely turn out, cannot decide if they are misguided or scumbags, probably both, and it would not suprise me if the majority of them are work shy leeches on society. If they like Islamic fundemetalism cannot we not arrange for them to go and live in Afghanistan? Finally I am very proud of the ELD and all the people who took time out to demonstrate against fundamentalism. My big worry was that the ELD would rise to the baiting of the aforementioned SCUM and therefore risk being labelled yobs hooligans and nazi's to have rioted would have diluted the message that fundamentalism is a danger to society as we know it.
Casino Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 to those who have question those of us who don't have much time for the EDL people have been asked to condemn 'jihadists' now then, only 2000 turned up on saturday plenty of them from outside the town does that mean everybody who didn't go is a terrorist or doesn't care seeing as they didn't explicitly support the EDL on saturday of course it doesn't
Ani Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 I'm more interested to hear of anyone who is part of unite or unison who openly supported the opposition to the EDL... The EDL who are protesting against Muslim fundamentalists who murder men women and children.. So to sumarise for the blinkered like Mick Brown, 123 Wanderer, Kent White, Crawley and co... Unions who claim to represent Teachers, Postal workers, BA operatives etc openly side with Muslim Fundamentalists who wish to murder innocents... Out of interest where did Unite support the protest ?
no balls Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Out of interest where did Unite support the protest ? Unison had official banners there. I'd take that as support for UAF (not fundamentalism). I personally think that's a poor show.
Carlos Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Yeah! The facist pigs. Being serious for a minute, this is the bit I just can't get my head around. Marxism is the only answer I can come up with. Are the UAF and ANL both Marxist organisations?
no balls Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Being serious for a minute, this is the bit I just can't get my head around. Marxism is the only answer I can come up with. Are the UAF and ANL both Marxist organisations? With the lack of allowing another point of view, I'd say nearer Stalinist.
frank_spencer Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Unison had official banners there. I'd take that as support for UAF (not fundamentalism). I personally think that's a poor show. I suppose it all depends on your view of the EDL. If you see the EDL as a bunch of racist biggots then the unions are there to speak out for equal rights. If you see the EDL as a legitimate demonstration against Islamic Extremism then the unions are there to support the UAF. As my view on Unions is they're all a bunch of knobs their appearance on Saturday confirmed that fact.
Maggie Tate Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) Common sense consensus, then, is to view both the EDL and UAF elements with equally strong contempt. But it's frustrating that no-one takes that postion publicly, for the nonsense concern that condemning one allies you with the other. But seek and ye shall find... Alan A, March 21st 2010, 10:11 pm So, it has finally happened. The English Defence League is a group of football hooligans, which is to some extent multi-ethnic, and which declares itself anti-racist, but opposed to ?Militant Islam?. Precisely what ?Militant Islam? means in this case is not clear, and I do not believe that most EDL members have a particularly sophisticated or well informed view on the subject.I have seen videos produced by the EDL, and they have something of a ?Jihad Watch? approach to Islam. Muslims are right to resent and fear their activities. Although BNP members have been banned by their party from participating in the EDL ? apparently on the grounds that it is a Jew trick ? there is a limited overlap of membership between the two organisations. I should add that the EDL claim to have beaten up the man who was famously pictured giving a ?Roman salute? at one of their rallies. When the EDL hold public rallies, violence occurs. It occurs because the EDL are yobbos, and enjoy a public scrap. They are therefore particularly fortunate in their choice of adversary: Unite Against Fascism. Unite Against Fascism is a broad based campaign which is supported by trade unions and ?civil society? at large. It has the support of a wide range of worthies, including David Cameron and the Bulgarian-Scouse electropop ensemble, Ladytron. Unfortunately, its leadership is in the possession of two of the most obnoxious political parties in Britain: the Socialist Workers Party and Socialist Action. The Socialist Workers? Party?s commitment to anti-fascism can be judged by its touring around of the ?ex-Jew?, Gilad Atzmon: a man who claims that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion accurately portray the reality of what he terms, elsewhere, ?Jewish Power?. Socialist Action are a function of Ken Livingstone, and have enthusiastically pursued a policy of allying with groups that are aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood and Jamaat-e-Islami. These two parties run Unite Against Fascism as their personal possession, and for the purposes of recruiting cadres and providing a level of public exposure to their leading figures. Bennett is an unimpressive figure. A measure of the man is his response, upon arrest: Officers came up to me as soon as I arrived and said they would arrest me. They are hostile to anti-racists and there needs to be an investigation. ?Police neutrality needs to be questioned. Unite Against Fascism advertised this event as a confrontation between their supporters and the EDL. The slogan, ?No Passaran? does not inevitably mean a physical confrontation, but its association with military struggle, and in particular the Siege of Madrid, does tend to promise a bit of a ruck. The EDL should be confronted. It is right to show solidarity with British Muslims against these hoodlums. However, the one thing Bolton could have done without was a riot. Unite Against Fascism could have staged a dignified and empathetic act of solidarity that might have united the community, and show the English Defence League in their true colours. Instead ? because the far Left is in love with ?street politics? - they got this: Yesterday afternoon, the EDL and UAF were no more than two rival football firms, meeting up after the match for a little pre-planned aggro. Dismal. As a result, Weyman Bennett not only gets the chance to play the martyr, but runs the real risk that he will be imprisoned. I feel sorry for him, and hope that ? if the Crown Prosecution Service proceeds against him ? it is on the basis of very strong evidence that he was actively involved in concrete and detailed plans to commit violent disorder: and not merely on the grounds that he was a little bit mouthy. Let?s see what the story is. However, doesn?t this incident just show how unfit Unite Against Fascism is to lead an anti-fascist struggle? Cunts one and cunts all. Edited March 22, 2010 by Maggie Tate
Casino Posted March 22, 2010 Posted March 22, 2010 Unison had official banners there. I'd take that as support for UAF (not fundamentalism). I personally think that's a poor show. seeing as the UAF believe the EDL aren't being altogether honest, i take it as opposition to a group of 'paki haters'
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