E D L march

[Carlos]

 

 

There's some fucking shite in there. Thing is, its our shite. They can ask for methodone and food vouchers in broad Leyth. That said, I'd still let the fuckers starve if they've never done a days....

 

You need to try Sainsburys up the road. A bit more expensive but there is less chance of catching something.

 

got tea from the eco-friendly Sainsbury's, it's another world from the Bolton one. Pleasant staff and zero scutters.

[Casino]

he said palestinians lived alongside jews...nowt to do with muslims

 

i'm pleased you can see why al qaeda are seen as freedom fighters

 

maybe we, the west, need to stop chucking fuel on the fire

 

we could give the arabs their land back, or as a minimum treat 'em like human beings

 

or even, give the israelis western australia

 

its nice and big, and theres some nice houses which obvioulsy we'll take off those who live there

 

everybody can live happily ever after

 

 

NOT THAT ANY OF THIS HAS OWT TO DO WITH THE EDL GATHERING, BUT HEY, ITS WANDERERSWAYS:)

Edited March 23, 2010 by Casino

[Smiffs]

Israel was founded 3000 years ago. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. All practicing Jews have spiritual ties to Israel.

When you say palestinians living together for 2000 years, I didn't think Islam as a recognised religion was that old, but I'll stand to be corrected.

edit:

Does anyone see any irony on 2 people who live in Australia debating this?

 

The cavemen were there way before either of them but you dont see some fucker from Burnley staking a claim to it.

[no balls]

he said palestinians lived alongside jews...nowt to do with muslims - but most palestinians were jews back then, so I saw that as a moot point.

i'm pleased you can see why al qaeda are seen as freedom fighters - Al Qaeda aren't democratically elected, so really, that was a bollocks silly & pointless statement.

maybe we, the west, need to stop chucking fuel on the fire

 

we could give the arabs their land back, or as a minimum treat 'em like human beings - when you say give it them back, you mean all of it, like they were there first, so where to we put the Jews? A holiday camp in Poland? I get the impression you wouldn't mind, though why, I dont know. Maybe one stole your chocolate as a child. Do they behave like they do because of oppression or do they just not know how to behave, I suppose we'll never know as we don't live somewhere like that & so can't say how we'd bring our children up in their shoes

or even, give the israelis western australia

 

its nice and big, and theres some nice houses which obvioulsy we'll take off those who live there

 

everybody can live happily ever after

 

Just to clarify as it appears Casino is a "you're with us or against us" black and white kind of a guy:

I disagree with much of the settlement policy. I also disagree with mothers thinking it's acceptable to allow their sons to go into bars with bombs strapped on to killpeople.

 

No one's winning over there at the moment & us sticking our nose into it is something I think we should think about first & go back to the start of this thread - Let's sort our own back yard out first.

Edited March 23, 2010 by no balls

[Casino]

its irrelevant whether they're democratically elected...totally irrelevant

 

i do have dislike of jews..but only cos they all fcuked off home on a friday when i had to double chemistry

 

nobody nicks my chocolate...nobody

 

 

we can't sort our backyard out as generally a twat who wants to blow folk up doesn't wear a badge

 

unless of course you suggest we remove all muslims, all christians, in fact where do we stop

[no balls]

unless of course you suggest we remove all muslims, all christians, in fact where do we stop

 

 

No I don't. I'm a bit more civilised than that, I'll leave that to the anti-semitic types to dictate who should get out of a country.

Though having said that, a bit of respect for this country might not go amiss by those who have come here for a better life.

[bolty58]

he said palestinians lived alongside jews...nowt to do with muslims

 

i'm pleased you can see why al qaeda are seen as freedom fighters

 

maybe we, the west, need to stop chucking fuel on the fire

 

we could give the arabs their land back, or as a minimum treat 'em like human beings

 

or even, give the israelis western australia

 

1) its nice and big, and theres some nice houses which obvioulsy we'll take off those who live there

 

everybody can live happily ever after

 

 

2) NOT THAT ANY OF THIS HAS OWT TO DO WITH THE EDL GATHERING, BUT HEY, ITS WANDERERSWAYS:)

 

1) They can have it if it would end all these islamic terrorist attacks (I'll move to Suffolk or Coin) but, the vast majority of us know that it's just a pretence. they don't give a f?ck about the Palestinians really. Just a convenient excuse for imperial ambition.

 

2) Don't be f?cking daft lad. EDL march against Islamic terrorism. Islamic terrorism justifies itself with the Palestinian problem. Not exactly a tenuous link. Even a numbskull who can't even whistle the theme tune to Skippy correctly should be able to join the dots

[Smiley]

2) Don't be f?cking daft lad. EDL march against Islamic terrorism. Islamic terrorism justifies itself with the Palestinian problem. Not exactly a tenuous link. Even a numbskull who can't even whistle the theme tune to Skippy correctly should be able to join the dots

 

 

What is the EDL stance on other forms of terrorism? For instance Irish Catholic terrorism? And for that matter Irish Protestant terrorism?

[kent_white]

So supposing, like most issues, there are two extreme points of view and the real answer probably lies somewhere between the two, what can we agree on as a concensus? I'll start the bidding with.....

 

a) Economic migrants to the UK should have at least a conversational grasp of the English language.

 

Any group advocating violence against UK citizens should be arrested and charged.

 

c) Asylum application procedures should be speeded up and any criminal behaviour whilst awaiting a decision should lead to immediate expulsion.

[Casino]

So supposing, like most issues, there are two extreme points of view and the real answer probably lies somewhere between the two, what can we agree on as a concensus? I'll start the bidding with.....

 

a) Economic migrants to the UK should have at least a conversational grasp of the English language.

 

Any group advocating violence against UK citizens should be arrested and charged.

 

c) Asylum application procedures should be speeded up and any criminal behaviour whilst awaiting a decision should lead to immediate expulsion.

 

fcuk me, i'm more left wing than Kent

 

i'm not too fussed about a)

 

if they can do the job, they'll do for me

 

though converstaional english would put em way in front of walkdenites

 

and i'd agree with if you removed 'against UK citizens'

[kent_white]

fcuk me, i'm more left wing than Kent

 

i'm not too fussed about a)

 

if they can do the job, they'll do for me

 

though converstaional english would put em way in front of walkdenites

 

and i'd agree with if you removed 'against UK citizens'

 

I agree with you about b. I've leaned somewhat to the right to try and find some middle ground.....!

[Casino]

ok

 

i'll support the motion!

[victor meldrew]

if they can do the job, they'll do for me.

really....

so mr hussain comes in from which ever middle eastern country or asia,

he gets a job (illegally), claims assylum,

brings mrs hussain in and 4-5 kids.

then gets housed, schooling for kids, inter national health care for all.

not bad for minimum wage..how much is he going to pay into the system v taking out.

X this by many hundreds of thousands.

it's no wonder the country is broke...

AND BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING.

i would sort out all the white trailer trash as well as mr hussain.

[kent_white]

You can't actually work if you're claiming asylum. That's why people moan about asylum seekers claiming benefits. Maybe we could make that a rule?

 

d) Asylum seekers have the right to work and pay taxes while they're claim in being assessed?

[no balls]

You can't actually work if you're claiming asylum. That's why people moan about asylum seekers claiming benefits. Maybe we could make that a rule?

 

d) Asylum seekers have the right to work and pay taxes while they're claim in being assessed?

 

 

How about we take a look and re-assess the amount of benefits asylum seekers receive then?

[bolty58]

What is the EDL stance on other forms of terrorism? For instance Irish Catholic terrorism? And for that matter Irish Protestant terrorism?

 

Why ask me? I can tell you my views on the other terrorist activities you mention but you already know them don't you? The last one was only ever a reaction to the first. Neither acceptable but when the first one is completely eradicated, the raison d'?tre for the second will be gone.

 

Bottom line is, whether you are for or against the EDL, they have brought the subject of Islamic terrorism into open discussion and, if politicians sense that it is a key issue for many and a potential vote winner, they may develop policies to tackle it more aggressively at home.

Edited March 24, 2010 by bolty58

[fatolive]

What is the EDL stance on other forms of terrorism? For instance Irish Catholic terrorism? And for that matter Irish Protestant terrorism?

I'm sure they are against it,and I know what you're getting at, but "Republican" and "Loyalist" are the correct terms for it, as neither are based on religious ideology as their aim,unlike the (perceived) impression given by radical islam types, more political ideology, albeit a fact of that ideology is, republican mainly Catholic, Loyalist mainly Protestant, but neither are fighting/terrorising for a religious principle or insisting that "catholic" or "protestant" laws be implemented or upheld. That with the fact that you dont get many Irish over here of either persuasion demonstrating on the streets or recruiting in the churches (not that I know of anyway)and the fact that each of these groups states they are only after what they claim is theirs or to keep what they claim is theirs, as opposed to domination of Britain/the world, as the EDL believe radical islam is, probably is why, although carrying out just as reprehensible actions to achieve, the EDL probably think the government has them under control to an extent or its a political problem that is just a fact of life, whereas they believe they are letting radical Islam get bigger and bigger and see this as a threat to their way of life.

of course all that could be shite, but its just the way i see it.

[Casino]

Bottom line is, whether you are for or against the EDL, they have brought the subject of Islamic terrorism into open discussion and, if politicians sense that it is a key issue for many and a potential vote winner, they may develop policies to tackle it more aggressively at home.

 

like?

[Maggie Tate]

they have brought the subject of Islamic terrorism into open discussion

 

Hardly. All right thinking people are obviously opposed to Islamic fundamentalism and ways to combat it are constantly being publicly discussed. And in private there's immense work being put in by all manner of spooks, eavesdroppers and counter terror police. It's not as if the EDL has brought the issue to the forefront, as if it would never have crossed people's minds if they'd not had days out in Stoke or Manchester or Bolton. This idea that is tacitly put across by EDL sympathisers that they are representative of some kind of silent majority is nonsense, frankly, and the danger of it is that it gives what's little more than a 90% racist street brawling group far more legitimacy than it deserves. The reality, as most people who approach this issue from the rational centre rather than the far left or right can obviously see, is that the EDL is made of people who are terrified of and hate all Muslims, irrespective of what its leadership says. The fact is that the letters ED and L would never have reached public consciousness if its leadership was in any position to exclude the out and out racists from its following. It claims it's not racist, but without its racist supporters, it's finished. And in another parallel with the BNP, the fact that it is a movement which attracts out and out racists in such numbers should immediately put normal people off, no matter how moderate and fluffy its publicly stated message.

 

Phew. I'll do a big long post slagging the UAF off soon, in the interests of balance. Won't be a big job...

[mickbrown]

Maggie - you speak a lot of sense there lad.

[BWFCOLINH58]

fcuk me, i'm more left wing than Kent

 

i'm not too fussed about a)

 

if they can do the job, they'll do for me

 

though converstaional english would put em way in front of walkdenites

 

and i'd agree with if you removed 'against UK citizens'

 

 

we may speak daft, but we are not illiterate

[bolty58]

like?

 

About time. You need to brush up on your punctuation though. An exclamation mark should have been used.

[bolty58]

Maggie - you speak a lot of sense there lad.

 

 

Really? Who were the street brawling group last Saturday then? Your lot wasn't it?

 

I disagree with Maggie on the 'silent majority'thing. Not completely. I do believe (and know) that many people have opinions regarding excess immigration from Muslim countries; Islamic terrorism etc. but are loathe to say it due to years of social engineering and political correctness gone mad which has spawned a legion of brainwashed fooktards who are too quick to use the 'r' word - usually completely out of context.

[Smiley]

I think expecting everyone who lives here to speak English is a fair enough point.

As I would expect (enforce, encourage, etc) any Englishman living abroad to learn the local lingo.

[Casino]

About time. You need to brush up on your punctuation though. An exclamation mark should have been used.

 

no

 

it was a question

 

and i'm keen to hear the answer