You Tube Bolton Stuff

[Johnnyrotten]

Great free kick from Tony Kelly by the way, forgot about that.  What a player.

[Underpants]

On 03/05/2020 at 16:54, dusan nikolic said:

Ok mate , thanks for the heads up . There is a midweek match at Mansfield , we won 1-0 and Jules scored a belter , a good following for midweek if I remember.

I got food poisoning at that match. Happy days.

[dusan nikolic]

What from , the good old dodgy Burger Van's.

[Underpants]

2 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

What from , the good old dodgy Burger Van's.

A pie from inside the ground. Must have been one they didn't sell from the previous home game. Rough as, and throwing up everything and nothing for the next 24hrs. Happy days.

[paulhanley]

It's a day for 0-2 wins at Turf Moor. One of these is much more celebrated than the other. The 0-2 win at Christmas 2000 was part of a great run of results over Xmas and New Year - ultimately helping towards our promotion to the Prem under Big Sam. A case of Michael Ricketts being at his deadly best after being introduced as a sub. 

The second game is 14 years previous. Fans of both clubs would have been glad to hear in 1986 that better times were ahead. In the 86/7 season Burnley were to scrape survival from relegation on non-league football on the last day of the season and Bolton were relegated to Div 4. This Freight Rover Trophy match was played in front of less than 2,000 fans. Bolton had made it to Wembley in this competition the previous season

 

 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

The Ricketts game was a brilliant day out, just had that promotion feeling about it. He was the real McCoy at the time... Pace, power & a lethal finisher. 

[paulhanley]

4 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

The Ricketts game was a brilliant day out, just had that promotion feeling about it. He was the real McCoy at the time... Pace, power & a lethal finisher. 

Yep! Particularly pleasurable as at the time I was living in a place called Barrowford near Burnley. They'd drawn 1-1 at Bolton on the opening day of the season and I kept telling them they'd got away with it because we'd so many suspended players after Barry Knight diddled us at the end of the previous season at Ipswich. Ricardo Gardner in particular stood out and I remember all the dingles begrudgingly saying "Bloody good player that Gardner" in the days and weeks after.

[dusan nikolic]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

It's a day for 0-2 wins at Turf Moor. One of these is much more celebrated than the other. The 0-2 win at Christmas 2000 was part of a great run of results over Xmas and New Year - ultimately helping towards our promotion to the Prem under Big Sam. A case of Michael Ricketts being at his deadly best after being introduced as a sub. 

The second game is 14 years previous. Fans of both clubs would have been glad to hear in 1986 that better times were ahead. In the 86/7 season Burnley were to scrape survival from relegation on non-league football on the last day of the season and Bolton were relegated to Div 4. This Freight Rover Trophy match was played in front of less than 2,000 fans. Bolton had made it to Wembley in this competition the previous season

 

 

Thanks Paul , I remember Colin Hendry seemed immense that day and you could tell he had been a top player in his day .

Regarding the earlier match , watching a lot of these games , Mark Gavin looked a quality player for a lot of games , I'm not sure what happened later in the season with him or the team.

[paulhanley]

28 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

Thanks Paul , I remember Colin Hendry seemed immense that day and you could tell he had been a top player in his day .

Regarding the earlier match , watching a lot of these games , Mark Gavin looked a quality player for a lot of games , I'm not sure what happened later in the season with him or the team.

There was some kind of falling out between Neal and Gavin. It gets alluded to by Dave on the match commentaries but without detail. You look back on these videos and you're right- he was a good player. 

I remember Hendry getting dog's abuse that day due to his Blackburn links. Made him all the more determined it seemed.

[dusan nikolic]

33 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

There was some kind of falling out between Neal and Gavin. It gets alluded to by Dave on the match commentaries but without detail. You look back on these videos and you're right- he was a good player. 

I remember Hendry getting dog's abuse that day due to his Blackburn links. Made him all the more determined it seemed.

Looking at Gavin's Wiki page , he certainly seemed a nomadic kind of player ,a healthy 350 League games . Would of been interesting if we had an on song Gavin a couple of years later sharing the wings with Storer.

[paulhanley]

32 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

Looking at Gavin's Wiki page , he certainly seemed a nomadic kind of player ,a healthy 350 League games . Would of been interesting if we had an on song Gavin a couple of years later sharing the wings with Storer.

Well watching these vids you see that Stuart Storer was a better player than often remembered as well. 

I think Gavin was temperamental ... and suspect Phil Neal was no Big Sam in terms of ability to manage awkward footballers.

[dusan nikolic]

6 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Well watching these vids you see that Stuart Storer was a better player than often remembered as well. 

I think Gavin was temperamental ... and suspect Phil Neal was no Big Sam in terms of ability to manage awkward footballers.

I think your right , only the other day I read a very recent interview with Barry Cowdrill in which he branded Neal " a rather weird man" . I think he probably had an air of  '  I've been there and done it , so i know best' about him. 

[paulhanley]

1 minute ago, dusan nikolic said:

I think your right , only the other day I read a very recent interview with Barry Cowdrill in which he branded Neal " a rather weird man" . I think he probably had an air of  '  I've been there and done it , so i know best' about him. 

According to Big Sam, Neal alienated him because he was aware he'd applied for the job when Charlie Wright was sacked. Sam barely played a game under Neal after he arrived in Dec 85.

We did stick with Neal for a long time a solid foundation for Bruce Rioch so we should probably keep criticism in context. But there's certainly plenty of evidence of a very mixed picture.

[dusan nikolic]

17 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

According to Big Sam, Neal alienated him because he was aware he'd applied for the job when Charlie Wright was sacked. Sam barely played a game under Neal after he arrived in Dec 85.

We did stick with Neal for a long time a solid foundation for Bruce Rioch so we should probably keep criticism in context. But there's certainly plenty of evidence of a very mixed picture.

I thought Big Sam's piece about Neal in his book  smacked a bit of sour Grapes ,  like yourself I feel Neal did a pretty decent job for us  , but you never really read / Hear of anyone talking in glowing terms about him . Perhaps slightly aloof and just would rather keep a firm Manager/Player relationship.

[paulhanley]

8 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

I thought Big Sam's piece about Neal in his book  smacked a bit of sour Grapes ,  like yourself I feel Neal did a pretty decent job for us  , but you never really read / Hear of anyone talking in glowing terms about him . Perhaps slightly aloof and just would rather keep a firm Manager/Player relationship.

That's probably it. Bit of a lack of man-management skills. They were right to pot him when they did though. It had gone stale.

[dusan nikolic]

21 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

That's probably it. Bit of a lack of man-management skills. They were right to pot him when they did though. It had gone stale.

It was definitely the correct decision,  it was almost like the play off defeat ( coupled with the sale of Steve Thompson ) knocked the stuffing out of the club . Perhaps an indicator of the expectations Neal had garnered,  that all of a sudden a Mid table finish coupled with a good F.A .Cup run was considered nowhere near acceptable .

[paulhanley]

7 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

It was definitely the correct decision,  it was almost like the play off defeat ( coupled with the sale of Steve Thompson ) knocked the stuffing out of the club . Perhaps an indicator of the expectations Neal had garnered,  that all of a sudden a Mid table finish coupled with a good F.A .Cup run was considered nowhere near acceptable .

We'd all become desperate to escape the lower divisions after a decade. His last season was very hard work - especially the last two months. Some lethargic performances and shocking results.

[dusan nikolic]

10 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

We'd all become desperate to escape the lower divisions after a decade. His last season was very hard work - especially the last two months. Some lethargic performances and shocking results.

Bolton 2 v Arsenal 2 . F.A .Cup 1994

The lesser seen of the 2 matches

Edited May 9, 2020 by dusan nikolic

[radcliffe white]

Great work by mcginlay in both goals 

[paulhanley]

4 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

Bolton 2 v Arsenal 2 . F.A .Cup 1994

The lesser seen of the 2 matches

One of my favourite Bolton seasons

[SatanGreavsie]

55 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

That's probably it. Bit of a lack of man-management skills. They were right to pot him when they did though. It had gone stale.

I remember an interview Colin Murray did on R5 a few years ago with Micky Quinn.

Played for loads of clubs and when asked "cheeky question, but who was the worst manager you played under" his immediate reply was "Phil Neal" (would have been his time at Coventry). Mind you, straight away he followed that up with "though he was one of the best coaches". Chimes with the man-management issues idea.

[Casino]

Micky horse killer quinn, to give him his full name

[paulhanley]

9 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said:

I remember an interview Colin Murray did on R5 a few years ago with Micky Quinn.

Played for loads of clubs and when asked "cheeky question, but who was the worst manager you played under" his immediate reply was "Phil Neal" (would have been his time at Coventry). Mind you, straight away he followed that up with "though he was one of the best coaches". Chimes with the man-management issues idea.

He's up there with Big Sam and Ian Greaves in terms of longevity in the manager's role at Bolton so those with memories long enough will always debate this stuff. In the end his career post-Bolton tend to confirm all the theories about his time at Bolton!

[Zico]

2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

We'd all become desperate to escape the lower divisions after a decade. His last season was very hard work - especially the last two months. Some lethargic performances and shocking results.

Southampton that season was my first game

Followed by Brentford and Stoke

Think it was Brentford but I recall an old dear in the Great Lever losing her shit, in a polite way, at folk chanting Neal out, and when they ignored her she went and asked a steward to kick them out, which he didn't

[paulhanley]

11 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Southampton that season was my first game

Followed by Brentford and Stoke

Think it was Brentford but I recall an old dear in the Great Lever losing her shit, in a polite way, at folk chanting Neal out, and when they ignored her she went and asked a steward to kick them out, which he didn't

I'd lost it with Neal by then. I'd spent years defending him from the critics but the second half of that season, even with the cup results, I'd had enough. After that last game against Stoke I didn't seriously think they'd pot him. I was absolutely delighted when they did.

If I remember right that Brentford game was another drifting, lethargic defeat.