1. A significant amount of Scousers were disorderly beforehand

2. The police were disorganised during

3. The emergency services as a whole responded badly

4. There was no real cover up and Taylor's report was by and large correct.

 

Scousers will deny item 1 and feed on items 2 and 3

This. The bit I think we're all pissed off about is the elephant in the room is avoided by everyone in the media and is completely avoided as a potential cause.

I'm going to have to read up on this.. As I'm not sure what the cover up was..

 

Wonder if the guys thinking now.. Should I have taken the blame 26 years ago..

It was the right thing to open the gates, otherwise people could and would have been crushed outside.

 

It was wrong not to close the central tunnel before opening the gates.

 

There were more fans than capacity there.

 

The subsequent refusal to admit culpability from both police and Liverpool fans is deplorable.

 

The cover-up is/was despicable.

Correct. Both groups caused what happened that day. It would have been admirable for both groups to accept that for the victims and families. The cover up after was also a disgrace.

More lies exposed.

 

Absolute disgrace.

More lies exposed.

 

Absolute disgrace.

 

Even the ref's statement was doctored.

He said he saw fans drinking mixed together as he was driving in.

The word "mixed" was changed to "pissed".

The depths those in charge of SYP went to was unbelievable. The tossers doing the investigation from EMP were just as bad!

 

The ins and outs of that day is known and even if you are of the opinion that the crowd had a part to play that day, the actions of some of the police on the day and much more so afterwards are indefensible.

http://news.sky.com/story/hillsborough-criminal-charges-against-six-people-10929606

 

6 facing criminal charges.

 

Throw the book at the filthy lying cunts.

Aye

 

Disgusting really

 

Thing is they had no need to cover anything up at all! It's a case of being too proud to admit mistakes that would have been looked on sympathetically given the circumstances (crumbling stadiums, segregation, Hooliganism etc)

 

Hopefully tge CPS will get the key individuals locked up

So, will he go down for it?

Edited June 28, 20179 yr by Traf

Dukinfield charged with manslaughter. Interesting as that suggests he fucked up prior to events. Ie got the policing wrong.

 

All this has to go to court yet, so nothing sorted as yet.

But he has been in denial almost throughout that time.

He didn't even realise that some parents had died without hearing his apology.

To be fair, circumstances were against him. The previous regular match commander was moved for lax discipline with juniors involved in bullying. He knew accepting the promotion offered would involve taking over that big match - his 2 warm-up outings were against Millwall and Wimbledon (the latter on a midweek evening), both with under 20k attendances.

He was suspended when the Taylor Interim Report came out, and was then medically retired on a very healthy pension.

No one has explored or explained what he was doing being driven around for over 3 hours (!!!) between briefing his officers and re-entering the ground in the early afternoon.

 

The Chief Constable is dead - otherwise he would be asked to account for making the change of match commander 3 weeks before a semi-final, and orchestrating a false response after the event.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45258766

oh dear

 

here we go again

oh dear

 

here we go again

I wonder if him being a sir had anything to do with charges being dropped.

I wonder if him being a sir had anything to do with charges being dropped.

 

It sounds like a fantasist invented a conversation and has now been contradicted by everyone else present

It sounds like a fantasist invented a conversation and has now been contradicted by everyone else present

 

That does seem how it comes across

Flimsy as fuck.

 

They’ve got the main culprits standing trial next year.

Missed the detail, only picked up on the charges being dropped

 

Fantasist?

So the legal system adopted the WWays version of the 'man in the pub' version of the truth??

 

"It was alleged by Mr Ellaby that, over a pint in a pub while on an MBA course together in 1989, Sir Norman said he had been appointed to a team, the role of which was to blame the fans"

Do the FA not have any accountability in all of this? After all it was their competition.