Apologies to those that do a tough job and work hard without moaning. Lecturers and even those in training dor a tough job...You know who you are

 

However

 

I have a few of them moaning all the time on my FB wall about pay and conditions...

 

And 3 of the fuckers are posting pics today in expensive ski-ing resorts

 

Now fair enough

 

But stop moaning that you're on the breadline...is it bred into them at PGCE that they must moan about their salaries?!

Can teachers be compared to the private sector? When private school teachers earn more with better working conditions?

Can private sector office workers be compared to public sector though when private sector workers get fewer perks till their job?

http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2012/12chap5.pdf

 

The overall average public sector premium is estimated to be 8.3%; this is the 

average public–private pay differential unexplained by education, region, age or 

qualifications. Our overall estimate is similar (statistically and economically) to those produced by the ONS (7.8% as of April 2010) and Policy Exchange (8.8% as of December 2010).

 

It is possible that public sector workers are on average more attractive employees than 

private sector workers in some other unobserved way (for example, how much effort 

they put in per hour of work), which would justify their pay premium. 

 

I think at this point the author fell out of his chair laughing.

 

http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2012/12chap5.pdf

 

The overall average public sector premium is estimated to be 8.3%; this is the 

average public–private pay differential unexplained by education, region, age or 

qualifications. Our overall estimate is similar (statistically and economically) to those produced by the ONS (7.8% as of April 2010) and Policy Exchange (8.8% as of December 2010).

 

It is possible that public sector workers are on average more attractive employees than 

private sector workers in some other unobserved way (for example, how much effort 

they put in per hour of work), which would justify their pay premium. 

 

I think at this point the author fell out of his chair laughing.

 

 

I certainly did, reading it.

Nevertheless, there are more private sector employees doing shitty low paid jobs than public sector workers. Like all those immigrants who come here working for a pittance & living 20 to a 2 up 2 down terrace & taking it in turn to have the use of a bed.

Every serious body and think-tank which does a study in to this finds a pay gap after adjusting for all relevant factors. You try to explain this by moving low paid work to the private sector at a time when there was actually a net movement of workers in the opposite direction.

 

Do you think, perhaps, just maybe, whilst making no comment on the general utility and ideal size of the public sector, that the average public sector worker might be getting a pretty good deal compared to the rest of us?

Why on earth do we let the non-productive part of the economy be paid more than the productive

 

And, with pensions, it is way more than a few percent

 

 

mental economics

Edited March 13, 201412 yr by boltondiver

Oh great, so the unions are all thinking about strike action.

I wonder how much public support they'll get.

Can teachers be compared to the private sector? When private school teachers earn more with better working conditions?

 

Better working conditions? Yes.

 

Better pay? No, overall, although obviously the better private schools do pay better.

Most of the private sector is Private schools though and they do pay considerably more to entice better teachers. All the ones I've been looking at recently have been offering more, although the actual amount isn't specified (they're quite shy about giving those details)...

 

that said a quick look on Tes this week mentions main scale payment..

 

its also a lot harder to get a job in a private school from what I have been told, However, that's going to be my aim this time next year..

Edited March 14, 201412 yr by only1swanny

Most of the private sector is Private schools though and they do pay considerably more to entice better teachers. All the ones I've been looking at recently have been offering more, although the actual amount isn't specified (they're quite shy about giving those details)...

 

that said a quick look on Tes this week mentions main scale payment..

 

its also a lot harder to get a job in a private school from what I have been told, However, that's going to be my aim this time next year..

Thought you'd already been promised a job at Bolton Skoo, mate?

Thought you'd already been promised a job at Bolton Skoo, mate?

 

yeah, but, no, but...

no, that's work experience...

 

I wish i'd been promised a job there,

daughter casino is in the first year of her degree

 

costing a fortune

 

not sure why its reet that somebody with a degree in media studies can do a 1 year pgce and then teach

 

 

or that folk can do a nursing degree for nowt then a 1 year pgce

They can't Cas,

 

they need to have a degree relevant to the field in which they want to teach,

 

or they can do an enhancement course if they want to teach a subject that is in demand, (I.e.Maths Physics Biology Chemistry)..

 

I have a Degree in Business Studies, currently studying A Level Economics and will be doing a PGCE in Business Studies ( was going to be maths but I didn't want to study for 2 years).

 

There are no relevant school subjects with media studies or nursing (possibly biology but why would a qualified Nurse want to earn less as a teacher??), so they could do enhancements if they have studied that subject at A Level..

Swanny

 

You can teach at primary school level with any old degree & a PGCE

 

Even a degree in basket weaving

Yes. .

 

Fair point had forgotten about primary. Course Is still intense though and if you have a level five qualification you must have the level of intellect required. . Plus the skills tests filter out quite a lot of people.

 

Primary is over subscribed and the interview process is quite selective.

 

Just read though that last month the Pearson testing system had a few funny days and passed skills test results that it shouldn't have. Might explain how I passed first time.

 

Nice little argument on Tes about working condition issues and ill post it on here later. .. and its not physical working conditions its about mental working conditions that a lot of older teachers are facing with the constantly changing goalposts of teaching.

I think teachings a hard job but you get paid more then nurses due to increments and work more sociable hours. I know a couple of nurses who went to teach primary due to better working hours for their family and pay.

They're all cunts

They're all cunts

My brother in law, his wife and my cousin are all teachers and if they're anything to go by, I'm with Birch.

One of my best mate and his missus are teachers, get well paid, great holidays and never moan about it.

 

Both have degrees and he has a PhD in Physics, both teach at state schools.

 

They have three young kids and do have all summer off together.

 

But it seems they are cunts based on what I have read here.

Strike cancelled last night (i think). Wife turned up to Uni today, not 1 lecturer has turned up.

Shower of militant shit

It's alright, most teachers think parents are cunts, so it's not all one way traffic.

Yup, they certainly do.

 

thats what happens in unaccountable environments where your job is still 100% safe even if you're shit....you forget who the customers are.