Liverpool are awful

57 minutes ago, L/H White said:

City drop 2 points and Liv extend the lead 

Superb

They your second team or something? 

1 minute ago, Rudy’s Message said:

They your second team or something? 

First 

1 minute ago, Rudy’s Message said:

They your second team or something? 

Aye. Behind labour!

Anyway, interesting comments at the end of the game. Pundit saying they looked tired and aren't playing as well as last year.

Decisive month coming up for them I reckon.

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aye. Behind labour!

Anyway, interesting comments at the end of the game. Pundit saying they looked tired and aren't playing as well as last year.

Decisive month coming up for them I reckon.

Difference is they aren’t ‘playing well’ and winning. 
Can’t keep a clean sheet for toffee though. 
10 games in 30 days should be interesting.

29 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Difference is they aren’t ‘playing well’ and winning. 
Can’t keep a clean sheet for toffee though. 
10 games in 30 days should be interesting.

Aye, still winning.

Those games are bound to take some sort of toll. Get out unscathed and the league should be theirs.

Another super set piece from Ward-Prowse again tonight.

Always liked him as a player, sometimes wonder why no one higher up has taken a punt on him. Quite a creative talent and might thrive amongst better players.

On 29/11/2019 at 08:49, bolty58 said:

..and they are still adamant that no Liverpool fan had any part to play in this tragedy? Aye, reet.

If you still think that the fans did anything on that day that fans from any other club wouldn't have done, then I'd suggest reading the hillsborough independent panel report from 2007, see if it changes your mind.

To summarise, they spent 2 years examining 400,00 pieces of evidence from 85 organisations and found that actions from the fans, regardless of if some of them were pissed up and/or ticketless, played no part whatsoever in the causation of the tragedy.

There were multiple crushing injuries at the three previous semi finals to be hosted at Hillsborough, 1981, 87 and 88. 

In 81 is was spurs fans, 38 injured, broken arms and legs and other injuries from crushing, a few hundred spilled onto the pitch. Luckily in 81, the Leppings lane end was one big pen, not split up into 3 as in 89, so was easier to escape.

In 87, it was Leeds, crushing outside, so they delayed the kick off.

In 88 it was liverpool, they closed the central passageway this time so fans filtered into the side pens.

In 89, many fans travelling by coach arrived late because of roadworks on parts of the M62, and coaches were stopped by the police as they came off the motorway for ticket inspections before they were allowed into the city. 

It was a disaster waiting to happen, just needed the right circumstances. 

In my opinion it wasnt just Dukinfield, the FA, Sheff Weds and other police officials were equally negligent.

Aye

And someone decided to put dukinfield  in charge 3 weeks before with no experience

Because of some other shit going on in the police force 

The sequence of bad decisions is a long one 

59 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

If you still think that the fans did anything on that day that fans from any other club wouldn't have done, then I'd suggest reading the hillsborough independent panel report from 2007, see if it changes your mind.

To summarise, they spent 2 years examining 400,00 pieces of evidence from 85 organisations and found that actions from the fans, regardless of if some of them were pissed up and/or ticketless, played no part whatsoever in the causation of the tragedy.

There were multiple crushing injuries at the three previous semi finals to be hosted at Hillsborough, 1981, 87 and 88. 

In 81 is was spurs fans, 38 injured, broken arms and legs and other injuries from crushing, a few hundred spilled onto the pitch. Luckily in 81, the Leppings lane end was one big pen, not split up into 3 as in 89, so was easier to escape.

In 87, it was Leeds, crushing outside, so they delayed the kick off.

In 88 it was liverpool, they closed the central passageway this time so fans filtered into the side pens.

In 89, many fans travelling by coach arrived late because of roadworks on parts of the M62, and coaches were stopped by the police as they came off the motorway for ticket inspections before they were allowed into the city. 

It was a disaster waiting to happen, just needed the right circumstances. 

In my opinion it wasnt just Dukinfield, the FA, Sheff Weds and other police officials were equally negligent.

Certainly the outside part where the Leeds fans were caught leaves a great deal to be desired. The recent game (Wilbrahim equaliser) was bloody pathetic. Holding us in that area between river and stadium while the dicks from Sheffield lob bottles at us with impunity was one of the worst situations I've been in at a football match.

17 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Certainly the outside part where the Leeds fans were caught leaves a great deal to be desired. The recent game (Wilbrahim equaliser) was bloody pathetic. Holding us in that area between river and stadium while the dicks from Sheffield lob bottles at us with impunity was one of the worst situations I've been in at a football match.

Last time I went was 2016. It's very old fashioned and not much room before you're onto the road. In the 80s they were trying to get 10,000 just in the lower tier section of that end!!!

Edited November 30, 20196 yr by peelyfeet

On 29/11/2019 at 09:35, gonzo said:

Aye, are those who gathered at the gates and pushed in from the back worthy of being criminally convicted?

Or the person who ordered the fences to built? 

Or the average football fan across England who’s behaviour caused those fences to be built?

It was all one big disaster waiting to happen and everybody was culpable in some way. Duckenfield fucked it big time, but he wasn’t trained properly and shouldn’t have been in that postion, the blame carries on....

What happened after, the lies and the coverup are a totally different story. The families deserve justice for that.

Quite right, it was a perfect storm, sadly those innocents at the front of the stand paid with their life’s. 

1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

Last time I went was 2016. It's very old fashioned and not much room before you're onto the road. In the 80s they were trying to get 10,000 just in the lower tier section of that end!!!

What has struck me every time I’ve been there is how little has changed from the archive footage of the turnstiles etc. Even the central tunnel for the lower tier is still there! 

2 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

If you still think that the fans did anything on that day that fans from any other club wouldn't have done, then I'd suggest reading the hillsborough independent panel report from 2007, see if it changes your mind.

To summarise, they spent 2 years examining 400,00 pieces of evidence from 85 organisations and found that actions from the fans, regardless of if some of them were pissed up and/or ticketless, played no part whatsoever in the causation of the tragedy.

There were multiple crushing injuries at the three previous semi finals to be hosted at Hillsborough, 1981, 87 and 88. 

In 81 is was spurs fans, 38 injured, broken arms and legs and other injuries from crushing, a few hundred spilled onto the pitch. Luckily in 81, the Leppings lane end was one big pen, not split up into 3 as in 89, so was easier to escape.

In 87, it was Leeds, crushing outside, so they delayed the kick off.

In 88 it was liverpool, they closed the central passageway this time so fans filtered into the side pens.

In 89, many fans travelling by coach arrived late because of roadworks on parts of the M62, and coaches were stopped by the police as they came off the motorway for ticket inspections before they were allowed into the city. 

It was a disaster waiting to happen, just needed the right circumstances. 

In my opinion it wasnt just Dukinfield, the FA, Sheff Weds and other police officials were equally negligent.

Let's accept Liverpool fans did what every other set of fans would've done

And I'm happy to accept that

That doesn't mean they are innocent in this tragedy

Nobody wanted to kill 93 people

Folk fucked up

Folk died

Its tragic

Learn lessons

Move on

 

 

2 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

If you still think that the fans did anything on that day that fans from any other club wouldn't have done, then I'd suggest reading the hillsborough independent panel report from 2007, see if it changes your mind.

 

The chairman of the "Hillsborough Independent Panel" was, I shit you not, The Bishop of Liverpool.

Independent, unbiased?

 

4 hours ago, Rudy’s Message said:

They your second team or something? 

Aye

1 hour ago, L/H White said:

Aye

dirty bastard

18 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

If you still think that the fans did anything on that day that fans from any other club wouldn't have done, then I'd suggest reading the hillsborough independent panel report from 2007, see if it changes your mind.

To summarise, they spent 2 years examining 400,00 pieces of evidence from 85 organisations and found that actions from the fans, regardless of if some of them were pissed up and/or ticketless, played no part whatsoever in the causation of the tragedy.

There were multiple crushing injuries at the three previous semi finals to be hosted at Hillsborough, 1981, 87 and 88. 

In 81 is was spurs fans, 38 injured, broken arms and legs and other injuries from crushing, a few hundred spilled onto the pitch. Luckily in 81, the Leppings lane end was one big pen, not split up into 3 as in 89, so was easier to escape.

In 87, it was Leeds, crushing outside, so they delayed the kick off.

In 88 it was liverpool, they closed the central passageway this time so fans filtered into the side pens.

In 89, many fans travelling by coach arrived late because of roadworks on parts of the M62, and coaches were stopped by the police as they came off the motorway for ticket inspections before they were allowed into the city. 

It was a disaster waiting to happen, just needed the right circumstances. 

In my opinion it wasnt just Dukinfield, the FA, Sheff Weds and other police officials were equally negligent.

Re the first sentence; I think you're right, plenty of other clubs' fans would do the same. Just like some of ours that climbed over fences contributing to the Burnden disaster.

I think that's the issue, for all the mitigating factors you list, which are perfectly correct and contributory, folk still make a subconscious decision to 'pile in' in areas of restricted size.

We've probably all been in places where it got a bit hairy: boxing day outside Bloomfield road one such example.

We all saw the pressure building outside, and the mounted police trying to get people to ease back. From then on, well a recipe for a disaster as you illustrate.

Blackpool winning now 

another game to be rescheduled 

5 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Blackpool winning now 

another game to be rescheduled 

Could play Donny on 3rd round day, they’ll be out

9 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said:

Could play Donny on 3rd round day, they’ll be out

Doncaster probably only option really seen as police don't want Lincoln to be on a Saturday.

1 minute ago, Marc505 said:

Doncaster probably only option really seen as police don't want Lincoln to be on a Saturday.

Go off at donny too 

1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Go off at donny too 

Bedsheets with "CHEATS" painted on them all over South Stand

48 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Go off at donny too 

The re-arranged game is at home.

Our game at their place is on Tuesday, February 11th. That might reduce the number of dickheads we take.

Looking a bit grim for Everton................

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Looking a bit grim for Everton................

Silva for the chop if they lose