Liverpool are awful

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

And it didn't get any better. That last ten mins was like a Rugby match, kick and rush

Standard of the prem is as low as it's ever been. Very entertaining like but fuck me it's so poor.

 

I agree, there's some absolute muck in that league to 

Although it's consistent across the board for me, players aren't what they were 

 

38 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Fuck me City were poor 

Trying to walk the ball into the net

Easy game for the scousers

No heart.

So like us at the end of Evatt's time, but on a higher plane.

Appeared beaten before kick off.

Reckon Pep has the ability to reinvent his team for next season though, and they'll probably qualify for the champion's league anyway.

This is the worst premier league in 20+ years

Be embarrassed to celebrate winning it.

Saw Como beat Napoli, was having a look into them, had no idea they are managed by Cesc Fabregas and have Thierry Henry and Dennis Wise involved in the background 

Random

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

Saw Como beat Napoli, was having a look into them, had no idea they are managed by Cesc Fabregas and have Thierry Henry and Dennis Wise involved in the background 

Random

I think wise left

Fabregas is part owner with terry henry and others

3 hours ago, Zico said:

Decent title race in Spain

 

Really wish we had a decent title race here 

7 hours ago, Zico said:

Decent title race in Spain

 

Luca Modric goal against Girona last night was sensational. What a player that lad has been and still is.

Little time for the other two so hope Los Blancos piss it.

Sky sports showing a very similar goal by Modric against us 

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Luca Modric goal against Girona last night was sensational. What a player that lad has been and still is.

Little time for the other two so hope Los Blancos piss it.

I interestingly like the pattern you can see that Barcelona have won and lost the most with the highest goal difference

Whilst Atletico have won and lost the least with the smallest goal difference 

Says a lot about the styles of play 

1 hour ago, Zico said:

I interestingly like the pattern you can see that Barcelona have won and lost the most with the highest goal difference

Whilst Atletico have won and lost the least with the smallest goal difference 

Says a lot about the styles of play 

Certainly does. Simeones teams have always been difficult to play against. Masters of shithousery which is no real surprise is it?

2 hours ago, Zico said:

I interestingly like the pattern you can see that Barcelona have won and lost the most with the highest goal difference

Whilst Atletico have won and lost the least with the smallest goal difference 

Says a lot about the styles of play 

Draws kill you, basically. Better to win one and lose one than draw two.

Take away the draws and Atletico are 2.647ppg, Madrid are 2.526ppg and Barca are 2.318ppg
 

14 hours ago, Casino said:

I think wise left

Fabregas is part owner with terry henry and others

aye, looking more into it, seems Wise left after the way he didn't like them handle a complaint of racism against them, and the direction Fabregas wanted to take the team in

love the ground as well

 

Absolute freak of a player

The greatest prem player of all time

 

He's certainly up there for me.

Not sure he's above Henry, Rooney and Ronaldo mind.

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

He's certainly up there for me.

Not sure he's above Henry, Rooney and Ronaldo mind.

If he wins another title that puts him level on 2 with Henry so there's a case to be argued there

If he wins a 3rd he's level with Ronaldo 

Needs to win 5 to tie with Rooney

14 minutes ago, Zico said:

If he wins another title that puts him level on 2 with Henry so there's a case to be argued there

If he wins a 3rd he's level with Ronaldo 

Needs to win 5 to tie with Rooney

Or Wes Brown.

Which shows this is a flawed argument.

The prem's leading scorer only won 1 title.

Mo isn't a striker either 

20 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Or Wes Brown.

Which shows this is a flawed argument.

Not really 

Medals aren't the only criteria 

There's plenty others 

Including appearances and contributions from their position

In 14 seasons Brown only played 30+ games once and 20+ 4 times so clearly not a first choice key player

But you're going to need more than one title to be considered a better forward than Henry, Rooney and Ronaldo 

 

15 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The prem's leading scorer only won 1 title.

So It can't be disputed he's the best goal scorer the PL has seen 

All round Player, yes

Just now, Zico said:

Not really 

Medals aren't the only criteria 

There's plenty others 

Including appearances and contributions from their position

In 14 seasons Brown only played 30+ games once and 20+ 4 times so clearly not a first choice key player

But you're going to need more than one title to be considered a better forward than Henry, Rooney and Ronaldo 

 

I would have thought its largely irrelevent to the argument of 'player x' is better than 'player y' due to player x's teammates, and management being better than player y's.

Those Ronaldo, Shearer, Salah or Rooney ? Shite, never won the world cup, but Giroud has. 

2 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

I would have thought its largely irrelevent to the argument of 'player x' is better than 'player y' due to player x's teammates, and management being better than player y's.

Those Ronaldo, Shearer, Salah or Rooney ? Shite, never won the world cup, but Giroud has. 

Which is why you don't go with just medals

There's an element of subjectivity to it also which is what makes for the discussion 

And there isn't necessarily a right answer, you just have to be able to back up your opinion 

Which is why it's not Giroud 

Was a hard one to call between Ronaldo and Messi but reckon that got settled when Messi led Argentina to the World Cup

Aye the best generally play for the best and win the most things.

Alan Shearer is an exception to the rule and probably why he will never be revered as a world class superstar. 

 

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Aye the best generally play for the best and win the most things.

Alan Shearer is an exception to the rule and probably why he will never be revered as a world class superstar. 

 

They're also first names on the team sheet unlike Brown and Giroud 

Squad games mean loads of bit part and back up players end with medals 

They're obviously good 

But not the greatest

As an aside

Giroud is France's all time top scorer and won a WC

Whilst Henry won a WC and was top scorer for them with 3 in 98 but was unknown going into it, wasn't first choice, then didn't even start or get on the pitch in the final

So you can use that if you want to argue who France's greatest all time player is

6 hours ago, L/H White said:

Absolute freak of a player

The greatest prem player of all time

 

 

Top 2 were getting 4 extra games a season in those years too