1987wanderer Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Lennon must have a striker up his sleeve, IMO this Silva will do nothing other than provide backup for the wide men. From what I have read of Neil Lennon recently he seems very persistent on having backup for all positions. Quote
Biggish Dave Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 We were crying out for a winger against Burton so I'd be happy with Silva and just hope he's reasonable. Get Pisano and a striker then we'll be fine - but getting the striker is the hard bit Quote
tyldesley_white Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Where's the striker we need? Obvious Hooper WAS a pipe dream, you don't have to be on the board to know Lenny is getting precious little of the Ream money. If there was a modicum of ambition we would have gone for ALF (Lennon said he wanted him but a deal was beyond us!) Davies is pulling out and his lackey Gartside just wants to keep trousering his half a million salary for as long as possible, even in 3rd Division where we are heading. Lennon will not stick around MMW We may ambition but we have no fucking money for said ambition, which bit of this dont you understand Quote
snowball Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 We may ambition but we have no fucking money for said ambition, which bit of this dont you understand The debt. But can't mention that as folk are bored of it and it's not important. Quote
tyldesley_white Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 The debt. But can't mention that as folk are bored of it and it's not important. We are not bored with it, but as fans theres fuck all we can do about it, so why do we keep going over the same ground over and over again Quote
frank_spencer Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 The debt. But can't mention that as folk are bored of it and it's not important.It's not the debt that's stopping the signings it's FFP.We spend more than we bring in at the minute so any money we get in is going to keeping the club running and the lights on. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 We may ambition but we have no fucking money for said ambition, which bit of this dont you understand  I'm sure monies in place from the Ream sale for a striker and Lennons intimated that, I'm confident someone will be coming in. Quote
tyldesley_white Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I'm sure monies in place from the Ream sale for a striker and Lennons intimated that, I'm confident someone will be coming in. Mounts we may only use the wage part of it or we may not, the guys taking about Alf and ambition. We dont have the money FOR that much ambition at this moment in time ( Fee plus wages) , Davies rightly or wrongly as decided we have to live somewhat with in our means, some people just dont get it  Quote
HR Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Mounts we may only use the wage part of it or we may not, the guys taking about Alf and ambition. We dont have the money FOR that much ambition at this moment in time ( Fee plus wages) , Davies rightly or wrongly as decided we have to live somewhat with in our means, some people just dont get it WHY this is hard to grasp is worrying. We have been given a reality check by our owner so it's money in vs money out. After seeing tens of millions of somebodys money being set fire to over the last four years it's almost about time. Lennon knows that for every asset he sells he needs to find 2/3 rough diamonds but they must be out there and I trust him to find them. Jesus Navas scored less than 1:10 in the same league as our potential winger. Quote
snowball Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Mounts we may only use the wage part of it or we may not, the guys taking about Alf and ambition. We dont have the money FOR that much ambition at this moment in time ( Fee plus wages) , Davies rightly or wrongly as decided we have to live somewhat with in our means, some people just dont get it  I get it doesn't mean to say I have to like it. Where was our blameless Chairman as 'tens of millions of somebody's money was being set fire to over the last four years'? Quote
Take Hunt Off Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 good strikers have always inhabited the lower leagues we just have to find one ...........& no I don't know where to look . Hope our scouting has improved because we are very lightweight at the moment Quote
Eddie Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I get it doesn't mean to say I have to like it. Where was our blameless Chairman as 'tens of millions of somebody's money was being set fire to over the last four years'? He was spending that money that the owner had given him, to oversee us finishing in the top 8 four years in a row. The biggest mistake was a lack of a plan B when it finally went tits up, I suppose that's what happens when you have 10 years in the Premier League and get used to it Quote
frank_spencer Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I get it doesn't mean to say I have to like it. Where was our blameless Chairman as 'tens of millions of somebody's money was being set fire to over the last four years'? Doing as he was instructed by ED. Quote
birch-chorley Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 I get it doesn't mean to say I have to like it. Where was our blameless Chairman as 'tens of millions of somebody's money was being set fire to over the last four years'? as fans we aren't blameless, whilst the money was being overspent we still moaned for more  It's PG's job to pick a manager and give him a budget, on the whole PG's track record of bringing in Managers is decent enough  Couple, freedman & Lennon all being well received by the majority of fans  Where PG has fucked up is not inventing a crystal ball so he could have foreseen how some of the signings he trusted the managers to make would go Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Mounts we may only use the wage part of it or we may not, the guys taking about Alf and ambition. We dont have the money FOR that much ambition at this moment in time ( Fee plus wages) , Davies rightly or wrongly as decided we have to live somewhat with in our means, some people just dont get it Nobody knows how much money is available from the Ream deal for Lennon to spend, I'm guessing that Silva is the quick player that Lennon desires and it looks like Pisano is the defender and that leaves just the striker to be resolved and I'd expect that the striker will cost the most money and the biggest earner of the 3. Time will tell. Quote
1987wanderer Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 BWFC at the time couldn't afford ALF. Ambition doesn't come into it. You can't afford it you don't get it, simple. Everyone can go on what we can and can't afford. Not one of us on here know what is and what isn't available for Neil Lennon to spend. Quote
HR Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 as fans we aren't blameless, whilst the money was being overspent we still moaned for more  It's PG's job to pick a manager and give him a budget, on the whole PG's track record of bringing in Managers is decent enough  Couple, freedman & Lennon all being well received by the majority of fans  Where PG has fucked up is not inventing a crystal ball so he could have foreseen how some of the signings he trusted the managers to make would go Gartside does have a lot to answer for. Whilst as chairman he cannot be expected to judge the technical attributes of a player that's down to his manager, in his eyes Sordell and NGog stacked up due to their age and potential. What he is guilty of is not having a plan B, even retaining our Prem squad in the Championship gave us a 30-40% chance of going up so by rights and odds we should have made plans for not doing so. No clever crystal balls or foresight required, just logical reasoned business skills which is why he is there. We are where we are and it's true it's getting boring debating how we got here. Quote
Cheese Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 Gartside does have a lot to answer for. Whilst as chairman he cannot be expected to judge the technical attributes of a player that's down to his manager, in his eyes Sordell and NGog stacked up due to their age and potential. What he is guilty of is not having a plan B, even retaining our Prem squad in the Championship gave us a 30-40% chance of going up so by rights and odds we should have made plans for not doing so. No clever crystal balls or foresight required, just logical reasoned business skills which is why he is there. We are where we are and it's true it's getting boring debating how we got here. Â "Plan B" was Sammy Lee. "Plan C" was Megson - which actually worked, but eventually left so many fans FUMING that he got sacked. After Coyle and Freedman, we were down to "Plan F"... Everyone says football is a "business" nowadays, but it's not. Unless you're a Russian Oligarch or a Middle-Eastern Prince. Quote
Traf Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 He's a winger. I couldn't give a fuck. Â I want more than a goal every 20 odd games from any player bar a keeper to be honest. Â 3 in 68 is piss poor and defenders get more than that. Quote
Rembrandt Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 We are not bored with it, but as fans theres fuck all we can do about it, so why do we keep going over the same ground over and over again  Maybe because the same guys are still running the club. And things could still get worse. Quote
Sweep Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Navas scored less than 1:10 in the same league as our potential winger. Navas. was on the top division in Spain though, I think Welly was mostly in the second division. And Navas is a bit shit as well really. Quote
birch-chorley Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Gartside does have a lot to answer for. Whilst as chairman he cannot be expected to judge the technical attributes of a player that's down to his manager, in his eyes Sordell and NGog stacked up due to their age and potential. What he is guilty of is not having a plan B, even retaining our Prem squad in the Championship gave us a 30-40% chance of going up so by rights and odds we should have made plans for not doing so. No clever crystal balls or foresight required, just logical reasoned business skills which is why he is there. We are where we are and it's true it's getting boring debating how we got here.I think we are seeing plan B in action... Plan B - use our parachute money to have one of the biggest budgets in the league, the right manager with one of the biggest budgets should get us promoted. If it doesnt and the money runs out then cut cloth accordingly so we don't go bust.  I'm pretty sure that's how it went. After all we did have one of the biggest budgets in the league for the first 2 seasons after we came down, just the wrong managers.  He should have got rid of Coyle sooner, but that's with hindsight, at the time many thought he could get us back up (me included). With hindsight Dougie was dreadful also but after that run finishing just outside the play offs we can be forgiven for having hope in him. Edited August 18, 2015 by birch-chorley Quote
Rizlar Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 It is was it is this is the position we are in we have to live with it even if we don't like it, it's reality! Quote
Guest Blixa Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Neil Crocs Samuel StilEto'o Christopher Samba (if we are going non-BWFC) Quote
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