Transfer Gossip

[ianofcleveleys]

1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

No-one, really, has a clue about Baccus. Paid very little for years in Paisley. Offered a considerable rise to come here but then got Billy-big-bollocks & turned it down. Started 14 games in the pub league last season & now signed for Mansfield.

It's possible we've fckd up, it's possible we dodged a bullet & it's probable he'll fade into the background, scoring 4 goals all next season, all against us.

 

Another Cole Stockton

[Whitesince63]

Play to Victors strengths in the box not chasing and I believe he’d get you at least a big chunk of Dions 20.

[ianofcleveleys]

7 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Play to Victors strengths in the box not chasing and I believe he’d get you at least a big chunk of Dions 20.

Fair comment, maligned as he is by many, he got into double figures and with a longer period out than Charles. Even if he got up to around 15 over a full season, Collins got between 15-20 and a few others chipped in with more (CMG maybe and see separate thread about Sheehan) we might not be that short. I'd replace Charles if he went with more of a JDB type, to provide more aerial threat and physicality. 

We got a lot more goals this season but quite a few of the 'filling your boots' variety, ones in the big games are what we really need to start converting 

[Traf]

59 minutes ago, Casino said:

Id agree but replacing his goals for a million is far from guaranteed

That's also true, but other clubs seem to find them...

[Casino]

20 minutes ago, Traf said:

That's also true, but other clubs seem to find them...

some do

most don't

theres not that many scored 20 in each of the last 2 seasons....are there, maybe there are

 

[Traf]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

some do

most don't

theres not that many scored 20 in each of the last 2 seasons....are there, maybe there are

 

20? I only count League games personally, as they're the ones that really matter.
Cup goals are pretty irrelevant.

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

20? I only count League games personally, as they're the ones that really matter.

bloody hell, youre as bad as @Johnnyrotten

he excludes all goals that werent scored between minutes 16 and 24 with the left foot against a team with an L in their name

 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

bloody hell, youre as bad as @Johnnyrotten

he excludes all goals that werent scored between minutes 16 and 24 with the left foot against a team with an L in their name

 

Ha ha!  No, same as @Traf I'm interested in us getting promoted, so I exclude cup games for the purpose of discussing how we get in the top 2.  Not just for Charles BTW, I'm a Bod fan but I'm not expecting him to get a new contract because he scored 6 cup goals against non league and reserves.

Of course Charles is a decent goalscorer, but Collins is better for me so they are out there.  Whether Charles scored 20 or 30 is irrelevant to me if half are in the cup, or pens (Morley/Collins is a better conversion rate from the spot).

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

20? I only count League games personally, as they're the ones that really matter.
Cup goals are pretty irrelevant.

Pizza final wasn't irrelevant though.

Memories for life, and money in the bank.

 

[ZiggyStardust]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Pizza final wasn't irrelevant though.

Memories for life, and money in the bank.

 

Tequila scored as many in the final. And more in the semi-final to get us there.

Not many shed a tear when he left.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

Tequila scored as many in the final. And more in the semi-final to get us there.

Not many shed a tear when he left.

Not sure what the point is there.

He helped win the cup, as did others.

More regular strikers didn't play as much in the competition neither.

Without those winnings, I wonder whether FV would have pushed the boat out on Collins?

 

[ianofcleveleys]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

some do

most don't

theres not that many scored 20 in each of the last 2 seasons....are there, maybe there are

 

Fair point, though it's perhaps because their team gets promoted or they get signed by a bigger club after the first season. 

Posh have done all right at finding them, 5 of the 13 L1 top scorers up to 22/23

Edited May 23, 2024 by ianofcleveleys

[gonzo]

Probably helps signing towards then playing to their strengths.

Ie don't sign three 6ft2 strapping forwards and make them rely on low crosses back across the box.

[L/H White]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not sure what the pioint is there.

He helped win the cup, as did others.

More regular strikers didn't play as much in the competition neither.

Without those winnings, I wonder whether FV would have pushed the boat out on Collins?

 

It was only 100k

Bond scheme was their big earner 

[tomski]

5 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Play to Victors strengths in the box not chasing and I believe he’d get you at least a big chunk of Dions 20.

The thought of Victor being Charles next season may just send me over the edge.

[Whitesince63]

11 minutes ago, tomski said:

The thought of Victor being Charles next season may just send me over the edge.

If we kept the same system yes but if we just allowed strikers to be strikers and get in the box which is where Victor needs to be to do some damage you might see it differently. 🙂

[paulhanley]

Just now, Whitesince63 said:

If we kept the same system yes but if we just allowed strikers to be strikers and get in the box which is where Victor needs to be to do some damage you might see it differently. 🙂

I had the impression Victor was being pretty strongly linked with a move abroad in the January window. It would not surprise me one bit to see that being re-heated. If we get can 75% of what we paid for him I'd let him go. 

[woolli]

Baccus to  Mansfield!  Dont really know what to make of that after we tried to sign him at the start of last season?

 

 

[Whitesince63]

43 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

I had the impression Victor was being pretty strongly linked with a move abroad in the January window. It would not surprise me one bit to see that being re-heated. If we get can 75% of what we paid for him I'd let him go. 

If IE stays then I’d go along with that Paul but if not I’d want him to stick round and see who comes in. We don’t play him the same as Burton did but if you look at his goals there about 12 from 15 were in and around the 6 yards box but he rarely gets there with Evatt’s system. Horse for courses I suppose?

[paulhanley]

Just now, Whitesince63 said:

If IE stays then I’d go along with that Paul but if not I’d want him to stick round and see who comes in. We don’t play him the same as Burton did but if you look at his goals there about 12 from 15 were in and around the 6 yards box but he rarely gets there with Evatt’s system. Horse for courses I suppose?

Quite possibly. Players can certainly look very different when deployed in other systems under alternative managers. 

.... what you're saying there however does beg the question why we signed the lad in the first place if he's not suited to our system! 

[Cheese]

1 hour ago, woolli said:

Baccus to  Mansfield!  Dont really know what to make of that after we tried to sign him at the start of last season?

We obviously knew what he was worth, which is why we didn't sign him.

[Johnnyrotten]

49 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

If IE stays then I’d go along with that Paul but if not I’d want him to stick round and see who comes in. We don’t play him the same as Burton did but if you look at his goals there about 12 from 15 were in and around the 6 yards box but he rarely gets there with Evatt’s system. Horse for courses I suppose?

Its wide of the mark IMO to suggest we were signing a proven scorer, and that we simply failed to play to his strengths.  Before he came here he'd scored 19 goals in 5 or 6 years for Barnsley, Bristol R, Cambridge and Burton.  129 games, so around 1 in 6.5 games (obviously he's improved on that since he came here, now 32 in 180 if my maths are right, so 1 in 6ish). 

Yes he had a purple patch for Burton from Sep to Dec 2022, scoring 9 league goals (incl a hat-trick v FGR) and 2 pens.  Maybe those 9 goals prompted IE to shell out half a million, it can't have been based on his previous record, and he's hardly a stand out footballer generally (unlike Collins on his day). 

Whatever system we play, we need better IMO, and if we get anything like our money back it will be great to spend it elsewhere.

[woolli]

54 minutes ago, Cheese said:

We obviously knew what he was worth, which is why we didn't sign him.

Obviously, Evatt knows best! What happened with Llundolu?, and Victor, and Jerome?

Edited May 23, 2024 by woolli
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[gonzo]

I think there's a few been waiting for Saturday to come and couldn't wait for the fallout....

[CumbrianWhite]

8 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Play to Victors strengths in the box not chasing and I believe he’d get you at least a big chunk of Dions 20.

I just don’t see it at all.. he’s a really really poor striker as far as I’m concerned and not a patch on Dion in almost any respect. He’s also never got near 20 goals in a season. 

He has very little football intelligence or anticipation. We want promotion then we need better.