27 storey tower block gone up. I've never seen anything like it. Hope and prayers to all involved... appears to be families etc.

 

Hope everyone gets out, would be amazed- but fear the worst.

 

Apparently gas works taken place... hopefully nothing more sinister.

Does it stop with the owner or do they deflect it to the "responsible person"?

 

I'd like to think the buck rests with whoever skimped and made £££ out of any building cost reductions.

 

In the real world though I bet it's going to be a nightmare court case that will drag for years before it's gotten to the bottom of.

 

Suppose the first thing is to be certain if regulations weren't met.  If they were then they will need changing.

 

I saw some of the eye witness testimonies last night - seems every time I watch a news clip at the momemnt I end up with plenty of dust in my peepers.

 

Those poor souls

Did anyone ever get done for that nightclub fire in America?

 

That was pretty grim

Yeah my father in law is an insurance loss adjuster and says his money is on the insulation used in the recladding wasn't fire retardant to save money on the part of the contractor

I did say this was the likely issue here

Did anyone ever get done for that nightclub fire in America?

 

That was pretty grim

 

Wasn't that a gay hater who started it or have I made that up?

Saduq Khan wants the PM to answer his questions this afternoon

 

Presumably not on goatskin

 

 

Looks like we got that anarchy

Edited June 16, 20179 yr by boltondiver

Saduq Khan wants the PM to answer his questions this afternoon

 

Presumably not on goatskin

 

 

Looks like we got that anarchy

 

I like to think I'm reasonably intelligent, but I genuinely have no idea what point you are trying to make here. 

I think you are very intelligent

 

I can't understand why the Mayor of London could possibly be demanding answers from the PM on something that happened 2 days ago, unless he had another motive.

 

The "anarchy " comment?

 

It seems as though we are ungovernable at the moment

I think you are very intelligent

 

I can't understand why the Mayor of London could possibly be demanding answers from the PM on something that happened 2 days ago, unless he had another motive.

 

The "anarchy " comment?

 

It seems as though we are ungovernable at the moment

 

Depends on his questions really. If she has the answers to hand then she should be giving him them asap. 

 

Agree on the anarchy bit - we've got the politicians we deserve it seems at the moment.

I think you are very intelligent

 

I can't understand why the Mayor of London could possibly be demanding answers from the PM on something that happened 2 days ago, unless he had another motive.

 

The "anarchy " comment?

 

It seems as though we are ungovernable at the moment

 

I've read his letter. It is entirely reasonable, proportionate and fair what he is asking. I don't detect any attempt in it to score political points, though clearly everything done by politicians has that in mind.

 

I think everything he asks for is fair enough. His first point about the arrangements for procedure and release of information via emergency services are designed around terror attacks but aren't appropriate for this sort of situation seems entirely fair and is something that needs looking at. 

I've read his letter. It is entirely reasonable, proportionate and fair what he is asking. I don't detect any attempt in it to score political points, though clearly everything done by politicians has that in mind.

 

I think everything he asks for is fair enough. His first point about the arrangements for procedure and release of information via emergency services are designed around terror attacks but aren't appropriate for this sort of situation seems entirely fair and is something that needs looking at.

Should it be directed to the PM? Is that really the correct protocol?

Should it be directed to the PM? Is that really the correct protocol?

 

Why not? It is a request for action and answers from government. She is the head of that government.

 

Whether it is a piece of political grandstanding or not it is the right thing to do, the right things to ask and the right things to seek. Frankly the motives aren't as important as the result. 

I think you are very intelligent

 

I can't understand why the Mayor of London could possibly be demanding answers from the PM on something that happened 2 days ago, unless he had another motive.

 

The "anarchy " comment?

 

It seems as though we are ungovernable at the moment

 

Well education is in a right mess and needs a complete overhaul, power to educators and some strong leadership.

 

 I have an interview Monday and have been told to be up to date with the new curriculum - I'm not sure anyone is 100% clear on what is going on or what direction it's going to go in - wish me luck

 

Back on point - don't know about that - I'd say what we are lacking is strong, coherent leadership.  Granted, these are uncertain times but I get the feeling politicians are reluctant to stick their necks out in case they are judged negatively - this is where the current system fails us, imo.  To make an behavioural/educational analogy - folk are 'acting out' because the boundaries aren't clear .  . .

 

More about the politician (career and ego) than what's best for us.  bah humbug

Edited June 16, 20179 yr by madthatter

I did say this was the likely issue here

Do you want a biscuit or something?

Well education is in a right mess and needs a complete overhaul, power to educators and some strong leadership.

 

I have an interview Monday and have been told to be up to date with the new curriculum - I'm not sure anyone is 100% clear on what is going on or what direction it's going to go in - wish me luck

 

Back on point - don't know about that - I'd say what we are lacking is strong, coherent leadership. Granted, these are uncertain times but I get the feeling politicians are reluctant to stick their necks out in case they are judged negatively - this is where the current system fails us, imo. To make an behavioural/educational analogy - folk are 'acting out' because the boundaries aren't clear . . .

 

More about the politician (career and ego) than what's best for us. bah humbug

Up to date with the curriculum means you should be a member of Momentum. Get paid up over the weekend and the job's yours!

Protest outside the town hall.

Such a tragic event seems to be turning into political games

There'll be riots over this if the government don't respond soon.

There'll be riots over this if the government don't respond soon.

How should they respond?

By showing a public face rather than issuing statements.

Up to date with the curriculum means you should be a member of Momentum. Get paid up over the weekend and the job's yours!

 

Thanks  It's more just trying to curb my obvious enthusiasm for said changes and state of play that will be the hard task.  Bull shitting, in other words

There'll be riots over this if the government don't respond soon.

Yup

Protesters are setting demands now

Thanks It's more just trying to curb my obvious enthusiasm for said changes and state of play that will be the hard task. Bull shitting, in other words

You'll be reet

Do you want a biscuit or something?

No thanks it will spoil my tea

DP 

Edited June 16, 20179 yr by madthatter