Ani Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Read the article again without being selective......."if you ever met Jeremy,experienced the warmth and kindness he shares" etc......I'd presume they've met wouldn't you ? I'd be seriously impressed if Corbyn offered those made homeless by the fire warmth and kindness in his £1 million pad....... Talking of double standards and hypocrisy, Emma Dent Coad was on board of the organisation when the Grenfell Tower block refurbishment was discussed. Kensington and Chelsea housing scrutiny committee .....report from 2014/15 in which she's named .........the committee scrutinised work on the tower. Same double standards from Tottenham MP who was spouting on Channel 4 re housing etc...the same MP who claims for a second house funded by the taxpayer whilst he lives just 28minutes from Parliament. Grief,dismay and searching for lost and loved ones totally overtaken by the hard left anarchists yesterday, absolutely disgusting. Folk like that dumb bint Tina Buckley should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Answers will come given time, but those idiots are hampering everything going on at the moment and that is dispicable behaviour. The Met plod are overstretched enough yet calls are made for even more mass rallies by the left........ I bet many of them are at the Al Quds march tomorrow..... Talking of my good mate Saddo Khan.......here's another beaut of his...https://mobile.twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/875832336499322881/photo/1 All part and parcel of living in a big city eh ? And the left are being accused of politicising this ? No idea why May is being blamed. Boris however.... https://www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-london-tower-fire-grenfell-assembly-cuts-fire-service-7790971 Quote
Guest Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 The participation by Corbyn's hard left militant rent a mob is as despicable an act I have ever heard of. To not let people grieve, to take away emergency resources and take advantage of death is beyond belief. Quote
jules_darby Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 The participation by Corbyn's hard left militant rent a mob is as despicable an act I have ever heard of. To not let people grieve, to take away emergency resources and take advantage of death is beyond belief. Whipping people up into a moral panic and hysteria with propaganda aimed at causing division and so that everything is perceived as unfair and that they are. Wing persecuted Ignore religion because it's a red herring to a certain extent but this is pretty much how the likes of ISIS recruit impressionable individuals; create a culture of "us against them" As Ghana says, I dread to think where this is going Quote
MickyD Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Nicked this from facebook. I cannot find words to add to this that enhance its sincerity. After the Grenfell blaze, the country has been whipped into fervour and is bellowing for a scapegoat! In the wake of a tragedy, the media blames its favourite political enemy! We must act in a way that is proportionate to any actual failure, not to public grief. Do you remember the tragic story of Jacintha Saldanha? You don’t? It was huge at the time. Jacintha was a nurse at the hospital where the Duchess of Cambridge gave birth to her first child. She got a hoax call from two Australian radio presenters pretending to be the Queen and the Prince of Wales, and put it through to the relevant ward nurse. When the news broke, Jacintha, who had had a history of depression, committed suicide by hanging, leaving two teenage children. You remember it all now, don’t you? The public outrage, the Twitter mobs, the boycotts of the radio station, the death threats against the two presenters, the repeated attempts to bring them to court. Five years on, I hope you can see that these public campaigns were utterly inappropriate. Had the call not resulted in a suicide, no one would have regarded it as anything more than a juvenile prank. The presenters could not possibly have foreseen that their wheeze would end in such a horrible tragedy. Their lives, like those of Jacintha’s family, were ruined over a freak accident. No one dared say so at the time, though. That would have meant stepping into the path of a lynch mob. A death changes everything. Different chemicals stir in our brains. Reason gives way to emotion. After such horror, someone has to be at fault. The blame, according to some curious inbuilt emotional scale, must be proportionate to the tragedy. We are still at that stage in the aftermath of the Grenfell horror. Obviously, we need to find out what went wrong, and assess whether other places are at risk. If there is evidence of criminal negligence, of course that negligence should be punished. But the discussion over the past two days has gone well beyond these things. The country is bellowing for a scapegoat big enough and monstrous enough to bear responsibility for such an outrage. The idea of a tragic accident simply won’t wash! It’s easy to see why. Try reading the story of 12-year-old Jessica Urbano, whose mother got a desperate message on her phone at 1.39 am saying “Mummy! Come and get me!” I defy any sentient adult to look at that little girl’s photograph without choking up. Now multiply that grief by the number of missing people and you can see why we want to find someone to blame: it’s the easiest way to make sense of these abominations. Like our pre-modern ancestors, we have an innate sense that, for such a horrifying event to have happened, there must have been great wickedness at work. Like them, we disagree as to who was responsible for the wickedness. Usually, though, just as they did, we blame whomever we already happened not to like. Glancing at this morning’s newspapers, I see that the Guardian blames inequality, the Mail blames eco-regulations, the Express blames EU rules and the Mirror blames the Tories. Simon Jenkins, that champion of harmonious and well-proportioned architecture, blames tower-blocks. Owen Jones, my favourite radical, blames racketeering landlords. For all I know, one or more of these villains may indeed be at fault; but, for now, it is mainly guesswork. Guesswork and, perhaps, a measure of displacement activity. Leftists are raging at Theresa May for meeting emergency workers instead of victims. Rightists are horrified that Jeremy Corbyn, revealing himself in a crisis, has called for the requisitioning of private houses. Both things are easier to do than to try, even for a few seconds, to imagine what Jessica Urbano’s parents are going through! The media always follow the same course on these occasions. Having initially blamed their favourite bêtes noires, they will move on to the victims and survivors, asking them what should be done. Which brings me to a very hard thing that needs saying. The victims deserve our utmost sympathy as well as our practical help. Please do give, if you haven’t already, to one of the appeals. But bereaved relatives have no particular authority when it comes to finding the correct prescriptions. We should not expect policy ideas from people in shock, and demanding them is not just a form of journalistic grandstanding; it is also deeply unfair to the victims it purports to elevate. What, then, should we do? We should find out what actually happened and then, as emotions cool, act in a way that is proportionate to any actual failures, not to public grief. In the meantime, please let’s not get into competitive accusations as a way of flaunting our humanity. Unless you were there, this isn’t primarily about you! Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Seriously think there is something wrong with you. These are people we are talking about. If they are Corbyn supporters, who gives a shit? The loss of life is tragic and shouldn't be brushed under the carpet. If it takes this tragedy and some protests to finally change things for the better and make people actually give a shit about each other then that's a result. The residents are annoyed that they voiced concerns about fire safety previously and were ignored. Do you blame them? If Corbyn or anyone else wants to fight their corner for them then good for them. If all you care about is the motive then time for a really long hard look at yourself.There are 2 seperate groups at play here, the first are genuine folk concerned about what has happened at Grenfell towers and rightly campaigning in the correct manner for answers. The second is a hench mob whipped up by Corbyn and the left who are using a terrible tragedy for political gain and to unstabilise and even try to bring the current government down by any means possible, actually trying to create civil unrest. I can see the agenda that is going on here, you can't seem to see it yet I'm the one who's got a problem, is that your answer every time you see an opinion you don't seem to like? Edited June 17, 2017 by Mounts Kipper Quote
madthatter Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Seriously think there is something wrong with you. These are people we are talking about. If they are Corbyn supporters, who gives a shit? The loss of life is tragic and shouldn't be brushed under the carpet. If it takes this tragedy and some protests to finally change things for the better and make people actually give a shit about each other then that's a result. The residents are annoyed that they voiced concerns about fire safety previously and were ignored. Do you blame them? If Corbyn or anyone else wants to fight their corner for them then good for them. If all you care about is the motive then time for a really long hard look at yourself. Not a dig at Mounts here but it's similar mentality to folk who blamed scousers for Hillsborough. Never understood the hate when little kids and families were torn apart by going to an FA cup semi. Of course folk are angry. Of course they want blood. Cut em some slack. As for the politicizing - well all a bit early for that but if they weren't getting involved they'd get stick for that. That said anyone blaming TM needs to give their head a wobble. logic goes out the window though when emotions run high Quote
radcliffe white Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 course the locals are angry anyone would be in the situation But we live in a blame culture society and there seems to be some who are jumping on the bandwagon demanding silly requests Quote
HomerJay Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Excuse my ignorance but do folk in such buildings not have insurance. If my house burnt down, my insurance would pay for alternative accommodation, wouldn't it. I'm confused as to why the council has to rehouse these people? Or do folk in flats not need to bother with such building insurance. Where do the management company stand in terms of insurance for tenants? Quote
kent_white Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Read the article again without being selective......."if you ever met Jeremy,experienced the warmth and kindness he shares" etc......I'd presume they've met wouldn't you ? I'd be seriously impressed if Corbyn offered those made homeless by the fire warmth and kindness in his £1 million pad....... What a load of bollocks. So he once met Jeremy Corbyn and found him to be 'warm and kind' so therefore JC is responsible for this protest? I once met Tony Benn and found him to be warm and kind - it doesn't mean you can attribute everything I did from that moment on to some sort of 'special relationship' we'd developed. If I'd opened the article and it had shown JC and this bloke having a strategy meeting a couple of hours after the fire it would have been an eye opener - but as it stands at the moment it's a total non story. With reference to your second passage - I was making pretty much the same comments when her Maj showed up yesterday. Lots of rooms in the palace - and recently refurbished at our expense so they should be in good nick too! :-) Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Excuse my ignorance but do folk in such buildings not have insurance. If my house burnt down, my insurance would pay for alternative accommodation, wouldn't it. I'm confused as to why the council has to rehouse these people? Or do folk in flats not need to bother with such building insurance. Where do the management company stand in terms of insurance for tenants? I'd think a good number of the occupants who are migrants on benefits and not in any position financially to pay for insurance. Quote
madthatter Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 course the locals are angry anyone would be in the situation But we live in a blame culture society and there seems to be some who are jumping on the bandwagon demanding silly requests Well probably, but I wouldn't pay em any mind Usually the idiots that shout loudest get heard though . . . Quote
Escobarp Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Excuse my ignorance but do folk in such buildings not have insurance. If my house burnt down, my insurance would pay for alternative accommodation, wouldn't it. I'm confused as to why the council has to rehouse these people? Or do folk in flats not need to bother with such building insurance. Where do the management company stand in terms of insurance for tenants? They only pay for contents insurance. As they don't own the property the owners pay for buildings and thus are responsible for this side of it. Quote
miamiwhite Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 What a load of bollocks. So he once met Jeremy Corbyn and found him to be 'warm and kind' so therefore JC is responsible for this protest? I once met Tony Benn and found him to be warm and kind - it doesn't mean you can attribute everything I did from that moment on to some sort of 'special relationship' we'd developed. If I'd opened the article and it had shown JC and this bloke having a strategy meeting a couple of hours after the fire it would have been an eye opener - but as it stands at the moment it's a total non story. With reference to your second passage - I was making pretty much the same comments when her Maj showed up yesterday. Lots of rooms in the palace - and recently refurbished at our expense so they should be in good nick too! :-) Wooooooow tiger, did I actually state Corbyn was responsible for the protest ? NO !!!! I said his political activist Comrade was....... Quote
kent_white Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Now Corbyn's mate has been exposed by the media, would you agree they're the using the tragedy for political gain ? Sounded like you were trying to suggest some sort of connection between JC and whoever organised the protest to me? And if you weren't then I've no idea what point you're trying to make. Quote
bolty58 Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Sounded like you were trying to suggest some sort of connection between JC and whoever organised the protest to me? And if you weren't then I've no idea what point you're trying to make. Fairly obvious. Left wing activists, no doubt some from Momentum, are trying to foment civil unrest using this terrible tragedy as a tool. They know that the election result we have just witnessed is the absolute zenith a hard left movement could achieve in Britain and that the only way they could possibly impose their vile politics on the home of democracy would be by sinister means. Does not surprise me at all. Some of the simpletons who voted for them have little or no understanding of what their brand of control would mean because it hasn't been around now for a couple of decades or more. Maybe a good read up on life under communist rule in the USSR and East Germany is needed. Quote
gonzo Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 https://twitter.com/engagetherebels/status/876066256385867776 Quote
miamiwhite Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Fairly obvious. Left wing activists, no doubt some from Momentum, are trying to foment civil unrest using this terrible tragedy as a tool. They know that the election result we have just witnessed is the absolute zenith a hard left movement could achieve in Britain and that the only way they could possibly impose their vile politics on the home of democracy would be by sinister means. Does not surprise me at all. Some of the simpletons who voted for them have little or no understanding of what their brand of control would mean because it hasn't been around now for a couple of decades or more. Maybe a good read up on life under communist rule in the USSR and East Germany is needed. Well said P, glad you clearly saw what I meant mate. The hard left think by being obstreperous they will oust the government. Their staged demo last night was outrageous and an execrable piece of work. At this rate, those Momentum dumbos will have more hate filled rallies than McEnroe and Borg. Quote
gonzo Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 How the hell has a tragedy like this ended up in a political debate? Some people really do need to give their wobble. Sort it out you dicks. Quote
Guest Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 How the hell has a tragedy like this ended up in a political debate? Some people really do need to give their wobble. Sort it out you dicks. Only one man can sort it out I see he hasn't denied involvement Quote
MalcolmW Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 How the hell has a tragedy like this ended up in a political debate? Some people really do need to give their wobble. Sort it out you dicks. Basically the local council with responsibility did nothing to help. No liaison officers, no on-site location for enquiries, just nothing. This is a very poor district in a very rich borough, less than a mile from both Cameron and Osborne's town houses. The PM has picked up the tab for Ken & Chel. Quote
jturner Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 How the hell has a tragedy like this ended up in a political debate? Some people really do need to give their wobble. Sort it out you dicks. Boltondiver was the first to turn it into politics on the second page of the thread on the afternoon of the tragedy Quote
Guest Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Boltondiver was the first to turn it into politics on the second page of the thread on the afternoon of the tragedy Indeed so Quote
Guest Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Corbyn's rent a mob? It isn't a real thing. Socialist activists are perhaps irritating, but hardly the widely malovalent force being portrayed. Some of the pure ignorance here is shocking. Might as well label the half the Tory party as greedy land barons supporting the low cost building refurbs of social housing for a quick buck and the rest rubbing their hands as more poor people burn. There are despicable people on all sides of politics. But the polarising of anyone with a different view has got to stop. Many of these 'socialists campaigners' do an awful lot more for society and charity than the entirety of this forum. We might disagree with their politics, but so what? Surely Hillsbrough is the lesson that the state often dont do very good things. And that people sometimes need listening to, even if we might not always like their politics or even them themselves. Edited June 17, 2017 by bwfcfan5 Quote
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