Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Let them make a judgement in 40 years as to whether to go back in then. They'll be better informed having been around to witness both situations. No thanks, I'll hope for a people's vote now. All options are still on the table until the vote next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Farrelli said: No thanks, I'll hope for a people's vote now. All options are still on the table until the vote next week. You listening to Jeremy to much. You’ll be coming out with shambolic next. And if there was a people’s vote you’d lose again. 😂 Edited March 21, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: You listening to Jeremy to much. You’ll be coming out with shambolic next. 😂 So in your opinion it hasn’t been a shambles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, mickbrown said: So in your opinion it hasn’t been a shambles? Only if we don’t leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: You listening to Jeremy to much. You’ll be coming out with shambolic next. And if there was a people’s vote you’d lose again. 😂 I'm not interested in Corbyn's opinion. I like the growing centre ground independent group though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: I'm not interested in Corbyn's opinion. I like the growing centre ground independent group though. Growing? Is there 7 MPs? They’ll disappear in 12 months. And chuka is the prince of cunts after the king Corbyn. Edited March 21, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 People Jeremy Corbyn will talk to: • Hamas • Hezbollah • The IRA • Press TV • Anti-semites • Other terrorists People Jeremy Corbyn won’t talk to: • Chuka Umunna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2019 Having seen a little of last night's performance by TM, I'm struggling to see how it's likely to get more MPs to vote for her deal. Has she thought, balls to it, "I'll do what I said I would and take us out one way or another", or was it open warfare whereby the erg etc take on remain, with more moderate MPs ultimately having a casting vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: Growing? Is there 7 MPs? They’ll disappear in 12 months. I don't think so. 11 independents, 11 LD's. It is small now but will grow. After this is over there has to be a shift in mainstream politics towards the centre ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, gonzo said: People Jeremy Corbyn will talk to: • Hamas • Hezbollah • The IRA • Press TV • Anti-semites • Other terrorists People Jeremy Corbyn won’t talk to: • Chuka Umunna Add Ian Austin and Mike Gapes to that won't talk to list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) People Theresa won't talk to - Everyone Edited March 21, 2019 by Farrelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Farrelli said: I don't think so. 11 independents, 11 LD's. It is small now but will grow. After this is over there has to be a shift in mainstream politics towards the centre ground. Assuming leave happens, the centre ground issue will become less important. Leavers and remainers on both sides of the house; it's not really a left or right issue. Should we not leave the EU, then it could become a bit more polarised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Farrelli said: I don't think so. 11 independents, 11 LD's. It is small now but will grow. After this is over there has to be a shift in mainstream politics towards the centre ground. Just vote liberal same thing, either way pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Having seen a little of last night's performance by TM, I'm struggling to see how it's likely to get more MPs to vote for her deal. Has she thought, balls to it, "I'll do what I said I would and take us out one way or another", or was it open warfare whereby the erg etc take on remain, with more moderate MPs ultimately having a casting vote. I think it’ll of harden opinion of the DUP and ERG. She’s toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Assuming leave happens, the centre ground issue will become less important. Leavers and remainers on both sides of the house; it's not really a left or right issue. Should we not leave the EU, then it could become a bit more polarised. It's not just brexit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Just vote liberal same thing, either way pointless. A new generation is coming through and they don't see things like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: It's not just brexit though. You're right it isn't. But on other issues there isn't the same level of split within parties. Except the anti-Semitism issue in labour. Most of labour losses to tigs has been over the this. Should that continue then maybe more defections will follow. Always a possibility erg types may do one I suppose, if brexit doesn't happen, but they won't head towards tigs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Farrelli said: A new generation is coming through and they don't see things like you. A quote that gets trotted out every generation. May to be fair has put the MPs on the spot, they keep rejecting the only deal available and also say No Deal' is not acceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ani said: A quote that gets trotted out every generation. May to be fair has put the MPs on the spot, they keep rejecting the only deal available and also say No Deal' is not acceptable Maybe, but I sense something more significant is changing in our politics and the relationship with social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: You're right it isn't. But on other issues there isn't the same level of split within parties. Except the anti-Semitism issue in labour. Most of labour losses to tigs has been over the this. Should that continue then maybe more defections will follow. Always a possibility erg types may do one I suppose, if brexit doesn't happen, but they won't head towards tigs! I think NHS, Law and Order as well as national security and the environment are huge issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, Farrelli said: I don't think so. 11 independents, 11 LD's. It is small now but will grow. After this is over there has to be a shift in mainstream politics towards the centre ground. I think,and I hope I'm wrong, the shift may be towards the extreme sides. Those getting disillusioned with pilitics and politicians are those who traditionally would vote on issues, possibly even changing party allegianceeach election. Sweep said he didn'y care if people stopped voting, theonly problem is that those who will stop are the target market for the centre ground, extremists will continue to vote for the old parties as they shift outwards from the middle, leaving a vacuum in the centre that no-one votes for. If we remain in the EU, dont be surprised to see a Tommy Robinson type character as PM within 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 21, 2019 Moderators Share Posted March 21, 2019 Teresea May: I'm on your side Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Farrelli said: A new generation is coming through and they don't see things like you. Tough. The current generation voted to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Tough. The current generation voted to leave. I think it was more the old generation actually (trying to relive their youth bless em). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Farrelli said: I think it was more the old generation actually (trying to relive their youth bless em). Whatever it was the message was loud and clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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