Politics

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

 Touche my friend. We are on then?

Darn tootin

[jules_darby]

6 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I have to disagree with that last bit. I am very certain Boris could organise things very well but he is shackled by the self serving activities of duplicitous cunts encouraged by an even bigger cunt in the Speakers chair. That little twat can't go too soon for me but replacing him with Bercow 2 Harman should not be an option.

Self serving and duplicitous cunt; that’s Bozzer in one succinct sentence.

Nobody comes out of this looking good but this rhetoric that opposing views are “treachery” is Disgusting

[tomski]

6 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I have to disagree with that last bit. I am very certain Boris could organise things very well but he is shackled by the self serving activities of duplicitous cunts encouraged by an even bigger cunt in the Speakers chair. That little twat can't go too soon for me but replacing him with Bercow 2 Harman should not be an option.

I think time will tell with Boris. He does seem to be trying to get things done, but not very well it seems.

I think that’s the point I was trying to make that these people will always be around and I’m not sure whether things will get done right or wrong.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 minutes ago, tomski said:

I think time will tell with Boris. He does seem to be trying to get things done, but not very well it seems.

I think that’s the point I was trying to make that these people will always be around and I’m not sure whether things will get done right or wrong.

Not sure how "well" anyone could be judged to be doing considering there is a remain majority in parliament.

He got another agreement against all odds and predictions.

He's managed to get parliament to give it an initial thumbs up too.

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not sure how "well" anyone could be judged to be doing considering there is a remain majority in parliament.

He got another agreement against all odds and predictions.

He's managed to get parliament to give it an initial thumbs up too.

 

Indeed, he’s doing his best in the circumstances and doing ok per se.

would an election resolve? Hopefully, but worth a try.

[Mounts Kipper]

24 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Self serving and duplicitous cunt; that’s Bozzer in one succinct sentence.

Nobody comes out of this looking good but this rhetoric that opposing views are “treachery” is Disgusting

Opposing views are fine, but colluding with the EU and actively working against your own government to such an extent as to lobby the EU and ask them to give us the worst possible deal is not, that can be classed as treacherous behaviour. 

[Mounts Kipper]

9 hours ago, Spider said:

Why do you give a shite? Your retirement clearly hinges on a Spanish economy that’s thriving.

The sunny uplands are for the rest of us to worry about.

Your only contribution to post-Brexit Britain will be getting drunk on the costas and coming back to Blighty twice a year to tell us all to keep our chins up, what what.

Oh dear! you’ve clearly lost the plot. 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Opposing views are fine, but colluding with the EU and actively working against your own government to such an extent as to lobby the EU and ask them to give us the worst possible deal is not, that can be classed as treacherous behaviour. 

When did this happen?

[jules_darby]

30 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Opposing views are fine, but colluding with the EU and actively working against your own government to such an extent as to lobby the EU and ask them to give us the worst possible deal is not, that can be classed as treacherous behaviour. 

You’re becoming a parody 

[Spider]

9 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

You’re becoming a parody 

He's making it up as he goes along.

He loves his country so much he can't wait to move out of it.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, tomski said:

I think time will tell with Boris. He does seem to be trying to get things done, but not very well it seems.

I think that’s the point I was trying to make that these people will always be around and I’m not sure whether things will get done right or wrong.

Trying to get things done - I'm not sure the bar is that. All politicians try to get things done. Its whether they are the right things or not. Boris so far has done entirely the wrong things and should he win an election as seems likely - will continue to do the worst things only on a greater scale. 

 

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Opposing views are fine, but colluding with the EU and actively working against your own government to such an extent as to lobby the EU and ask them to give us the worst possible deal is not, that can be classed as treacherous behaviour. 

I would encourage every single person to work against this Tory government. If you want Britain to be all it should be then this is not the way. 

Boris was colluding with Macron to try and get a shorter extension. Gove was trying to persuade Poland to veto the January extension. Our own government were trying to find a way to break British law. Lets stop the childish "treachery and treason" nonsense because you don't know what it means. Its 12 year old's nationalism. Look a bit deeper. People have different views on how best to take Britain forward. Those views are valid whether you agree with them or not. And your language is wildly embarrassing. Blind loyalty to a government has only ever resulted in disaster. Let us not forget history. 

[bolty58]

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

He's making it up as he goes along.

He loves his country so much he can't wait to move out of it.

FFS, more originality. What the fuck has wanting warmer climes in retirement got to do with not loving your country.

An asinine conclusion to reach.

[Mounts Kipper]

13 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I would encourage every single person to work against this Tory government. If you want Britain to be all it should be then this is not the way. 

Boris was colluding with Macron to try and get a shorter extension. Gove was trying to persuade Poland to veto the January extension. Our own government were trying to find a way to break British law. Lets stop the childish "treachery and treason" nonsense because you don't know what it means. Its 12 year old's nationalism. Look a bit deeper. People have different views on how best to take Britain forward. Those views are valid whether you agree with them or not. And your language is wildly embarrassing. Blind loyalty to a government has only ever resulted in disaster. Let us not forget history. 

Don’t worry yourself the GE is coming the people will speak and will give 5 more years of Tory and a Boris Johnson government and all  because Labour/liberals are unelectable. Enjoy. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[mickbrown]

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

FFS, more originality. What the fuck has wanting warmer climes in retirement got to do with not loving your country.

An asinine conclusion to reach.

Well you would say that Skippy

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, jules_darby said:

Self serving and duplicitous cunt; that’s Bozzer in one succinct sentence.

Nobody comes out of this looking good but this rhetoric that opposing views are “treachery” is Disgusting

I do not belive that Boris is what you say. I believe that he genuinely wants to end this impasse, deliver on the result of the referendum etc.  and is striving to do so but is being stymied by true self serving and duplicitous cunts like Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve, all Lib Dems, the SNP, Philip Hammond and, if estimates are to be trusted, over 350 others treacherous cunts currently in the HoC.

Hopefully, a GE will  wipe many of said treacherous cunts out.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I would encourage every single person to work against this Tory government. If you want Britain to be all it should be then this is not the way. 

Boris was colluding with Macron to try and get a shorter extension. Gove was trying to persuade Poland to veto the January extension. Our own government were trying to find a way to break British law. Lets stop the childish "treachery and treason" nonsense because you don't know what it means. Its 12 year old's nationalism. Look a bit deeper. People have different views on how best to take Britain forward. Those views are valid whether you agree with them or not. And your language is wildly embarrassing. Blind loyalty to a government has only ever resulted in disaster. Let us not forget history. 

Do you see the contradiction in what you’ve just outlined?

 

1. Oppose the (evil) Tories

2.  different people have different views, which are valid 

[bolty58]

Just now, mickbrown said:

Well you would say that Skippy

Fuck off Stalin.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

If this election bill goes through today, I'm wondering if some of the exiled Tories will be allowed back in, to stand.

Not Grieve perhaps (even though has has voted for a WA previously), but generally they have voted for Boris's deal, so he may look favourably on them.

Would he want the risk of some of them standing as independents?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Do you see the contradiction in what you’ve just outlined?

 

1. Oppose the (evil) Tories

2.  different people have different views, which are valid 

Does he fuck.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If this election bill goes through today, I'm wondering if some of the exiled Tories will be allowed back in, to stand.

Not Grieve perhaps (even though has has voted for a WA previously), but generally they have voted for Boris's deal, so he may look favourably on them.

Would he want the risk of some of them standing as independents?

The reason we need an election before progressing any further is to clear out the dissidents who will produce new amendments, delays etc once we get beyond the WA.

 

[mickbrown]

14 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Fuck off Stalin.

Haha.

Always touches a nerve that one Bruce. Thought I was blocked you bell whiff. 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Do you see the contradiction in what you’ve just outlined?

 

1. Oppose the (evil) Tories

2.  different people have different views, which are valid 

The answer is - there isn't a contradiction - to try and suggest there is - is ludicrous. 

I will oppose this Tory government because they are in my view headed down a path of de-regulation, low tax, pro-big business - they are essentially trying to do what the EU do but on steroids. That's my view. And they hide that behind a nationalist, populist rhetoric. 

That is my opinion. I'm not calling you or someone else who thinks that's the road to go down treacherous, treasonous and I didn't use the word evil either. I can debate and disagree with an opinion - and hold and reserve every right to do so. However, the fact is that someone saying "opposing the government means you are treasonous" is completely and utterly wrong and against just about every British value we hold. Or supposedly hold. 

 But there is absolutely no contradiction at all. I can hold a view that this is an appalling government and an appalling time. You can disagree. It doesn't make either one of us less or more patriotic or British. 

 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Don’t worry yourself the GE is coming the people will speak and will give 5 more years of Tory and a Boris Johnson government and all  because Labour/liberals are unelectable. Enjoy. 

Winning an election doesn't change my view nor does it make it right. I can point out a lot of times through history where clearly the wrong side won an election and people regretted it. If to you this is simply a sport and about winning then I have zero interest in that sort of thing. 

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Winning an election doesn't change my view nor does it make it right. I can point out a lot of times through history where clearly the wrong side won an election and people regretted it. If to you this is simply a sport and about winning then I have zero interest in that sort of thing. 

It’s not about winning it’s about democracy.