Politics

[fatolive]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Not quite

Labour will campaign against the new deal they’ve negotiated with the EU

Lib Dens have moved to an extreme revoke position

If that’s the case, I can see Tory winning easy, whether the Brexit party split their vote is another issue but can’t see anyone wanting to vote for a party promising to negotiate a new deal, if nothing else other than voter fatigue over the whole thing. 

So it’s more like 

Tory = leave and get it done and dusted

labour = fuck around talking about it for another while then another vote 

Lib Dem’s = lets call the whole thing off and never mention it again 

If you were to hold a vote on those 3 options, without the label of which party and traditional voter bias, think most would go for the top one, just depends if they can convince enough traditional labour supporters I suppose and whether the “ we don’t need a deal or Europe ” Brexit party splits that aspect of it 

 

[Sweep]

49 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

As the polls currently stand the Conservatives will win a healthy majority. 

However the opposition remainiac liberal zealots will then claim: 

* Conservative voters didn't know what they were voting for

* Every politician who said something during the campaign that they disagreed with lied

* The General Election result is only advisory

* Because some people didn't vote the overall proportion of the electorate who voted Tory was less than 50 per cent. The result should therefore be null and void. 

The bar has now been set on respect for the result of polls. What's to stop them getting up to their old tricks again?

Full on mentalist

[Salford Trotter]

19 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Have I?

i can’t ever recall using “centric” or backward wrt the EU.

Failing? Yes

They are already treating us like enemies, why would that improve if we were ever lucky enough to leave?

I don’t blame them for treating us badly; it’s business.

So in your view are they progressive and reaching out to the rest of the world then? If not, then my interpretation of your view is correct. 

As for them treating us badly, they have done exactly what we expected of them and they have run us ragged and showed us up. If Johnson does win a majority I hope he changes our trade negotiators because we are going to get shafted time and again

[Spider]

So how’s everyone on here voting then?

Just say, no need for a reason.

I’d say we have a fairly split base on here so it may be a good barometer.

[miamiwhite]

Leigh White - Labour.....irrelevant of the fact if they field Donald Trump or Boris Johnson as Wigan East candidate.......and that is a FACT

 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

So how’s everyone on here voting then?

Just say, no need for a reason.

I’d say we have a fairly split base on here so it may be a good barometer.

Brexit Party. 

[Spider]

Tory for me

[Not in Crawley]

Depends on how close the Lib Dems are in Bromley, Labour don’t really bother here as it’s a safe Tory seat.

to be honest I properly wont know until I’m in the booth.

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Depends on how close the Lib Dems are in Bromley, Labour don’t really bother here as it’s a safe Tory seat.

to be honest I properly wont know until I’m in the booth.

Surely your heart is Lib Dem’s ?

Don't go with the flow, go with your heart.

[Rudy]

Labour

[Escobarp]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

So how’s everyone on here voting then?

Just say, no need for a reason.

I’d say we have a fairly split base on here so it may be a good barometer.

Abstaining 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Salford Trotter said:

I quoted 1m so its higher than I quoted. So we only have to believe Brexit Central articles now?

Not wanting to nitpick but you later said 1.8m.

As for believing articles, you may or may not have noticed that I acknowledged your general point as being valid, to just not the specificity of it.

However, the point is also valid that we all know why this age reduction is being looked at.

[Casino]

45 minutes ago, L/H White said:

If that's the case, then it should be 16 imo

Anybody paying tax should get a say in where it goes

Anyway, never mind the youngsters, EU nationals who live here and contribute should definitely be getting a vote

And while we are at it, anybody over 80 shouldn't be getting a vote

Nor should folk living the majority of the year outside the UK

[Casino]

46 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Not quite

Labour will campaign against the new deal they’ve negotiated with the EU

Lib Dens have moved to an extreme revoke position

How does extreme revoke differ from revoke

I'd save your extremes for mogg, bozo, francois, baker et al

[Salford Trotter]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not wanting to nitpick but you later said 1.8m.

As for believing articles, you may or may not have noticed that I acknowledged your general point as being valid, to just not the specificity of it.

However, the point is also valid that we all know why this age reduction is being looked at.

For clarity I said this "the research was quite definitive, about 75% of 1.8m voters would vote for remain". So by my rough calculations that is 1.4m and I had quoted 1m from an article I had read some time ago so in fact I had undercalled it.  At no point did I suggest 1.8m would vote remain. 

That 1.8m are all eligible to vote now and when you look at the older end of the spectrum you would assume there are less leave voters too. Getting the younger voters to the ballot box is the struggle

 

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[Casino]

And who to vote for, whoever hurts the Tories

If the libs can get a good campaign and pick up some real momentum, maybe them

If not, I'm probably out

I'd never vote Labour and bozo and the ERG make me sick

[Not in Crawley]

21 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Surely your heart is Lib Dem’s ?

Don't go with the flow, go with your heart.

Not really - don’t see myself as a Lib Dem, but then it’s pointless voting Labour here and I’m not a Corbyn supporter. Can’t vote for the conservatives with who now in control of the party - hearing Hammond on R4 this morning was a sad to hear how far the party has drifted from one nation values.

As I say, I’m a bit lost with where to put that cross, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that.

[Escobarp]

7 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

For clarity I said this "the research was quite definitive, about 75% of 1.8m voters would vote for remain". So by my rough calculations that is 1.4m and I had quoted 1m from an article I had read some time ago so in fact I had undercalled it.  At no point did I suggest 1.8m would vote remain. 

That 1.8m are all eligible to vote now and when you look at the older end of the spectrum you would assume there are less leave voters too. Getting the younger voters to the ballot box is the struggle

 

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Very small sample size but my missus both her grand parents are alive and kicking and my brothers wife’s grand parents are alive and all 4 voted to remain. All are in there 80’s. So I think this notion that all old people voted to leave is a wee bit skewed and wrong 

 

Pete I’m not saying that’s what you are saying here more the “thick owd racist brigade on here” of which you are not one. 

[Salford Trotter]

Safe labour seat so probably green

[Casino]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

Safe labour seat so probably green

Is the labour mp a leaver?

Is there such a thing as a safe labour seat in the north and Midlands?

[Salford Trotter]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Very small sample size but my missus both her grand parents are alive and kicking and my brothers wife’s grand parents are alive and all 4 voted to remain. All are in there 80’s. So I think this notion that all old people voted to leave is a wee bit skewed and wrong 

 

Pete I’m not saying that’s what you are saying here more the “thick owd racist brigade on here” of which you are not one. 

And you know I am not like that mate. My point was that the typical demographic of the Leave voter was older and therefore my assumption that some of those will be heavenly postal voters

[Salford Trotter]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Is the labour mp a leaver?

Is there such a thing as a safe labour seat in the north and Midlands?

Rebecca Long Bailey and Salford are as red as you get. She would side with Corbyn so a confirmatory vote MP

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[Spider]

Not a landslide for the tories so far...

[Casino]

3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Rebecca Long Bailey and Salford are as red as you get. She would side with Corbyn so a confirmatory vote MP

Didn't realise you had that gormless cow

But tbf, she's better than Rayner 

As for her re election, mounts says labour are getting obliterated

 

[MalcolmW]

I'll be voting for my current MP - the one least likely to be a guest on Question Time.