Politics

[miamiwhite]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

He'll be a pensioner by then so probably not.

Does travel insurance not cover coffin Dodgers ?

Not sure on the age limits, I'll have to check it out.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

What changes critically is we are able to Start to negotiate a trade deal which the most important thing in all of this to ensure the success of the process. 

Spent some time watching the bill being debated last night. One or two of the labour screechers making similar comments. Selective in their nature as seems to be the game.

However, the freedom to legislate wholly on our own was explained and discussed in some detail, in particular by certain individuals with clear, wide ranging experience in these areas.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

So what the fuck was the deal May kept coming back with that was outvoted in parliament?

 

This is a wind up isn't it?

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Spent some time watching the bill being debated last night. One or two of the labour screechers making similar comments. Selective in their nature as seems to be the game.

However, the freedom to legislate wholly on our own was explained and discussed in some detail, in particular by certain individuals with clear, wide ranging experience in these areas.

I'm aware of the legislation independence. I have no problem with that either for the record which is why i voted to leave.

But for the last 3 years, I had assumed these Brexit secretaries and constant negotiations were to map out our exit and subsequent trading terms?

Otherwise, all they've been doing is gazing at one another across a desk.

[miamiwhite]

In other matters, a book of condolence has been opened in London for the Iranian general....you couldn't script it 😂

Eyes down for a visit off Mr Corbyn 🤔

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This is a wind up isn't it?

I think so. Either that or spider has been hacked which would explain the sudden change in his behavior 

 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

I get your point fella, but Kent is saying no database exists.

He's right in that there are lots of databases. Not a single one that covers all. Its getting better slowly - but the checking would add a layer to what is already complex.

I'm not actually opposed to the idea - I just know that the practicality is nowhere near as easy as people might like it to be. And the even wider issue is who is responsible for it? 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

I'm aware of the legislation independence. I have no problem with that either for the record which is why i voted to leave.

But for the last 3 years, I had assumed these Brexit secretaries and constant negotiations were to map out our exit and subsequent trading terms?

Otherwise, all they've been doing is gazing at one another across a desk.

Really?

No trade terms have been negotiated. Purely the mechanism of separation. I do think plenty of huffing and gazing was undertaken in the early stages though.

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I think so. Either that or spider has been hacked which would explain the sudden change in his behavior 

 

Ale

Alien abduction

A visit to a flat in Manchester

[miamiwhite]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Really?

No trade terms have been negotiated. Purely the mechanism of separation. I do think plenty of huffing and gazing was undertaken in the early stages though.

Ale

Alien abduction

A visit to a flat in Manchester

Can't say both so will say all 3

Rumour has it he's going back to the flat for seccies 😉

[Spider]

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Really?

No trade terms have been negotiated. Purely the mechanism of separation. I do think plenty of huffing and gazing was undertaken in the early stages though.

Ale

Alien abduction

A visit to a flat in Manchester

I'm fairly sure I read that May's deal included a certain amount of outlining of how a future trade deal would look (albeit, non-binding, but a start nonetheless).

Maybe that's too much to expect. We are talking about politicians after all.

In terms of my opinion, I'm a free spirit. It changes depending on the circumstances. Which have changed quite a bit this last few years. I see no mileage in sticking to a "side" simply to save face. If something's shit, I'll say so.

And I wasn't abducted, he said I could wait for a taxi in his flat so I went voluntarily. He gave me a biscuit, a cup of green tea an epidural so I wouldn't have a hangover. Which I didn't. Though I was blowing spunky bubbles out of my starfish all the next day which was unusual but not entirely unpleasant.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Indeed. An outline for what it might look like but without any binding status.

And a backstop if it was taking a while.

[miamiwhite]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/feb/03/nhs-prescriptions-free-fraud-penalty-charge

A bit of an in depth one here relating to prescription charges being chased up.

Still doesn't make sense why they're not chasing up far greater sums which they are legally owed.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Good old Guy,  going down the dictator's route as always , he's a danger to Europe.

Thank god we're leaving in 22 little days ✌🇬🇧

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1215232574123053056?s=09

Scroll down to the picture of Guy and his shadow!

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Scroll down to the picture of Guy and his shadow!

Seen it mate 😂

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, miamiwhite said:

Possibly fella.

I find it incredulous though that the NHS chase up people for non payment of prescriptions which at the most are a tenner on average aren't they, yet can't be bothered chasing up hundreds of millions of pounds.

As a right wing old thick Nazi, please explain the difference to me pal 😉💣

They chase up people for prescriptions through a body called NHS Prescription Services (what used to be the Prescription Pricing Authority).

God knows how much money that costs to set up and run - but thankfully it's been around for decades. An absolute fortune I'd expect. 

The main difference is that you can chase these people because they live in the UK and you've a decent chance of finding them. What you're talking about is something else.

And in answer to a few questions - the first things that will happen when you get to A&E is you'll get 'clerked'. So your basic details, name, address and DOB will be put on the hospital database. You won't be asked for ID so in reality you could give any name and address you wanted. If you've been at that hospital before, your name will show up on the system. It might have your correct address, but you might have moved since you last visited the hospital.

Any notes the hospital have on you will be in paper format and will have to be digged out of storage (this isn't a joke by the way). And will follow you around the hospital, being added to all the time. Sometimes 4 or 5 thick folders full.

There's a massive move at the moment to combine the IT systems so that Bolton Hospital's information matches up with your GP's (providing their in Bolton). So when you arrive at hospital - the DR's can see what treatment you're on at your GP and vice versa. It's been a massive (but brilliant) piece of work that has taken years and cost millions. And that's just getting a few systems in Bolton to talk to each other. And it's not without its problems.

I'm not going to keep banging on about it. But to get the overseas patient thing to work properly, you'd need every system in the country to talk to each other. Everybody who arrives at Hospital to tell the truth (or a national ID card). Everybody in the NHS to be trained to ask the right questions. A protocol for what happens when you can't establish someone's legal credentials. A organisation - like NHS prescription services to chase up all the non payers (who'll likely be abroad and will probably have given you a false name). An army of lawyers to deal with all the litigation you'll be facing because you've denied someone with a foreign accent treatment (who you later found out was legally entitled to it - and has subsequently come to harm). And so on and so forth.

That's me done on the subject now - take it or leave it

By the way - if you've any suggestions about how to make it work then let me know and I'll end up getting knighted for services to healthcare. I'd renounce it obviously like a good red 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

They chase up people for prescriptions through a body called NHS Prescription Services (what used to be the Prescription Pricing Authority).

God knows how much money that costs to set up and run - but thankfully it's been around for decades. An absolute fortune I'd expect. 

The main difference is that you can chase these people because they live in the UK and you've a decent chance of finding them. What you're talking about is something else.

And in answer to a few questions - the first things that will happen when you get to A&E is you'll get 'clerked'. So your basic details, name, address and DOB will be put on the hospital database. You won't be asked for ID so in reality you could give any name and address you wanted. If you've been at that hospital before, your name will show up on the system. It might have your correct address, but you might have moved since you last visited the hospital.

Any notes the hospital have on you will be in paper format and will have to be digged out of storage (this isn't a joke by the way). And will follow you around the hospital, being added to all the time. Sometimes 4 or 5 thick folders full.

There's a massive move at the moment to combine the IT systems so that Bolton Hospital's information matches up with your GP's (providing their in Bolton). So when you arrive at hospital - the DR's can see what treatment you're on at your GP and vice versa. It's been a massive (but brilliant) piece of work that has taken years and cost millions. And that's just getting a few systems in Bolton to talk to each other. And it's not without its problems.

I'm not going to keep banging on about it. But to get the overseas patient thing to work properly, you'd need every system in the country to talk to each other. Everybody who arrives at Hospital to tell the truth (or a national ID card). Everybody in the NHS to be trained to ask the right questions. A protocol for what happens when you can't establish someone's legal credentials. A organisation - like NHS prescription services to chase up all the non payers (who'll likely be abroad and will probably have given you a false name). An army of lawyers to deal with all the litigation you'll be facing because you've denied someone with a foreign accent treatment (who you later found out was legally entitled to it - and has subsequently come to harm). And so on and so forth.

That's me done on the subject now - take it or leave it

By the way - if you've any suggestions about how to make it work then let me know and I'll end up getting knighted for services to healthcare. I'd renounce it obviously like a good red 😁

 

When anyone comes in, they receive a temporary tattoo at the airport/port registering their details. If the subsequently arrive in A&E half dead, scan it and up pops their insurance details.

Works for Asda.

Anyhow, here we go:

And there it is, the bill has passed.

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

When anyone comes in, they receive a temporary tattoo at the airport/port registering their details. If the subsequently arrive in A&E half dead, scan it and up pops their insurance details.

Works for Asda.

Anyhow, here we go:

And there it is, the bill has passed.

Unexpected cardiac arrest in the baggage area

I'll suggest it tomorrow!

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Unexpected cardiac arrest in the baggage area

I'll suggest it tomorrow!

 

Like it.

Those beeps at the checkout are similar in tone to those monitors.

[paulhanley]

8 hours ago, Cheese said:

Go on then Paul, find a single post on wanderersways in which I have predicted "Armageddon" or anything remotely similar... 

I am not trawling through 1,193 pages of posts since Miami started this thread in July 2017. We have all seen your dooming and glooming about Brexit on here. We've seen others of your ilk doing the same on this thread. And we've had to put up with other remoaners inside parliament, outside of Parliament ........ and just outside of parliament like that cunt Steve Bray for instance. At every juncture the remoaning prognostications unravel. It's time for them to stop.

All that's happening here is you and the other remoaners are trying to cover your tracks so that you can subtly change the tenor of the drivel and carry on regardless. It will not work. We have got your number. We know how you operate. We've got your MO to a tee. We can predict what you are going to do and say next. Remoanerwatch has become a pretty predictable business. 

Happy January 31st.

[Mounts Kipper]

Brexit bill sails through HOC. Even better seeing lard arse blackford still whining. 

Edited January 9, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[kent_white]

30 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

We can predict what you are going to do and say next. 

 

[Salford Trotter]

37 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

I am not trawling through 1,193 pages of posts since Miami started this thread in July 2017. We have all seen your dooming and glooming about Brexit on here. We've seen others of your ilk doing the same on this thread. And we've had to put up with other remoaners inside parliament, outside of Parliament ........ and just outside of parliament like that cunt Steve Bray for instance. At every juncture the remoaning prognostications unravel. It's time for them to stop.

All that's happening here is you and the other remoaners are trying to cover your tracks so that you can subtly change the tenor of the drivel and carry on regardless. It will not work. We have got your number. We know how you operate. We've got your MO to a tee. We can predict what you are going to do and say next. Remoanerwatch has become a pretty predictable business. 

Happy January 31st.

We know how you operate

Are you for real? 😁

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

He's snaffled one of them remain crystal balls and it's changed sides.

[paulhanley]

30 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

We know how you operate

Are you for real? 😁

 

Hello deary. Long time no speak. How's that turning of the tide in favour of remain that you spotted after the Spring European elections coming along?

[Cheese]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

I am not trawling through 1,193 pages of posts since Miami started this thread in July 2017.

OK Paul.