Politics

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It was a joke. 

Apologies then.

[miamiwhite]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

What’s wrong with the four day week?

Did I say there was anything wrong with it ?

It's the 21 hour week they mooted years ago which doesn't appeal to me.

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Apologies then.

No problem. 

[MickyD]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Thing that folk are missing is yeah we will get some People who Give false details and we can’t claim back. But a lot won’t. But we choose not to claim back at all and one of the reasons given for this is how do we get details. 

just ask. Most will happily give them. It’s free why wouldn’t they unless they are criminals on the run or something (eu citizens I’m on about) 

Just think if the real "Alan Smith" turned up  after the person who borrowed his ID had an arm amputated.

[jayjayoghani]

Had to go to A&E in NZ, my gf was in pretty severe pain.

Pretty early on they were asking for our details, checked on the computer we were Residents of NZ (database of all visa info to hand) and therefore entitled to treatment.

Even fairly liberal governments can have a ruthless attitude to care. 

[miamiwhite]

As we've got an agreement with the EU re member states, why don't we make it part of the divorce bill ?

Quick tally up of what we're out of pocket and knock it off our Golden Handshake to Leyen and Co...simple as that....more lives saved , Kent gets a nice Brucie in his back pocket, everyone's a winner 🏥🏨

If only it was that simple.

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, jayjayoghani said:

Had to go to A&E in NZ, my gf was in pretty severe pain.

Pretty early on they were asking for our details, checked on the computer we were Residents of NZ (database of all visa info to hand) and therefore entitled to treatment.

Even fairly liberal governments can have a ruthless attitude to care. 

Stop talking sense mate, you'll get lambasted on here.

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said:

Had to go to A&E in NZ, my gf was in pretty severe pain.

Pretty early on they were asking for our details, checked on the computer we were Residents of NZ (database of all visa info to hand) and therefore entitled to treatment.

Even fairly liberal governments can have a ruthless attitude to care. 

Because NZ like most countries know what’s right and what’s wrong, it’s right and proper to protect tax payers money and we should learn that lesson. 

Edited January 6, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[miamiwhite]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Because NZ like most countries know what’s right and what’s wrong, it’s right and proper to protect tax payers money and we should learn that lesson. 

I wonder whatever happened to the pilot scheme mentioned here 

https://fullfact.org/health/passports-for-NHS/

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

I wonder whatever happened to the pilot scheme mentioned here 

https://fullfact.org/health/passports-for-NHS/

Aargh Jeremy Corbyn, everything’s free, a man who lives in utopia. 

[MalcolmW]

23 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said:

Had to go to A&E in NZ, my gf was in pretty severe pain.

Pretty early on they were asking for our details, checked on the computer we were Residents of NZ (database of all visa info to hand) and therefore entitled to treatment.

Even fairly liberal governments can have a ruthless attitude to care. 

It's a culture thing. The NHS prides itself on being free and has not been in the habit of asking reasonable questions. NZ has it about right.

[Spider]

Pinched off twitter:

Potential EU Leaving Names:

🇬🇧 Brexit
🇮🇪 Irexit
🇮🇹 Quitaly
🇸🇪 Swedone
🇪🇸 Españope
🇵🇹 Abortugal
🇫🇷 AdiEU
🇵🇱 Withdrawsaw
🇳🇱 Nethermind
🇦🇹 Outstria
🇸🇮 Sleavenia
🇩🇰 Donemark
🇭🇷 Noatia
🇱🇻 Lat-me-out
🇫🇮 Finnished 
🇨🇿 Czeching Out
🇨🇾 Cyaprus

Edited January 7, 2020 by Spider

[Escobarp]

Whatever they call it it certainly won’t be dragged on for an age by undemocratic good for nothing whining moaning shithouse  CUNTS

[Tonge moor green jacket]

AdiEU. Like it.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Spider said:

Pinched off twitter:

Potential EU Leaving Names:

🇬🇧 Brexit
🇮🇪 Irexit
🇮🇹 Quitaly
🇸🇪 Swedone
🇪🇸 Españope
🇵🇹 Abortugal
🇫🇷 AdiEU
🇵🇱 Withdrawsaw
🇳🇱 Nethermind
🇦🇹 Outstria
🇸🇮 Sleavenia
🇩🇰 Donemark
🇭🇷 Noatia
🇱🇻 Lat-me-out
🇫🇮 Finnished 
🇨🇿 Czeching Out
🇨🇾 Cyaprus

The one for Spain is Spaxit

[kent_white]

20 hours ago, MalcolmW said:

It's a culture thing. The NHS prides itself on being free and has not been in the habit of asking reasonable questions. NZ has it about right.

To be fair we're on a different scale to NZ. They have a population of 4.5 million. The NHS treats over a million patients every 3 days. The infrastructure to build a database like that, keep it secure and up to date, train everybody to use it and deal with the fallout of people turning up without the ID would cost way more than we'd save.

Again - it's not a bad idea in principle if you're starting from scratch - but it would be really hard to implement now.

Don't forget about the 10 billion IT system developed for the NHS and never implemented. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Why not use the NZ IT system?

If it works for 4.5m it should still work for 60m. Might just need a bigger boat.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why not use the NZ IT system?

If it works for 4.5m it should still work for 60m. Might just need a bigger boat.

Because there are already a huge number of systems in use across primary care, community and hospitals. It’s a crazy number of systems and legacy systems. A project to put something across all of those to suitably interface and interact with systems out there already would cost far more than it’s worth. And I’d suspect you’d not find anyone able or willing to do it. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

It was a bit of a piss take.

I don't buy the argument that a system with more folk can't be managed and would have prohibitive costs. In numerical terms, were not a big nation, and plenty of others manage it.

As Kent points out however, is the vast amount wasted previously, on a variety of initiatives.

Let medical folk be just that, and not burden them with with onerous administration. At the same time we can't be throwing our arms in the air and saying we can't do x,y or z.

We need to toughen up and modernise. Starting by actually asking for money back, that has already been agreed would be a start.

[Not in Crawley]

I’d love you to have a chat with my GP mate. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

I’d love you to have a chat with my GP mate. 

I bet he wasn’t one of the idiots who voted for Boris.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I bet he wasn’t one of the idiots who voted for Boris.

Kent explained that most GPS aren't employed by the NHS. Presumably then his mate wouldn't appreciate some of the spending savings being sent his/her way or being ploughed into social care for example.

[Guest]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Kent explained that most GPS aren't employed by the NHS. Presumably then his mate wouldn't appreciate some of the spending savings being sent his/her way or being ploughed into social care for example.

It was a dig at NiC, who said that anyone who voted for Boris was an an imbecile, or similar.

Still waiting for an apology 

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

It was a dig at NiC, who said that anyone who voted for Boris was an an imbecile, or similar.

Still waiting for an apology 

Don’t hold your breath. He’s above us normal folks

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Don’t hold your breath. He’s above us normal folks

And then he’ll come begging for sponsorship for summat