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[bolty58]

All these predictions, estimates, guess work etc (from both sides) all very tiresome.

More interested in the 'no definitive framework for an agreement by the end of June and we'll walk' comment. Like it.

Not only the EU know how to kick. They need us more than we need them whether some want to believe it or not.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Let's look at the full facts eh and their conclusion.....as you were moaned, see you again ✌👌🇬🇧

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/online-cost-brexit-net-contributions/

These estimates, just bearing in mind we only officially left last month, and are still in transition, what do they put the costs down to?

Preparation for no deal perhaps? The very thing that could have been reduced, together with withheld commercial investment had parliament not fucked around with it for several years.

Even if the figure could be proved to be accurate; the reasons behind it are obvious. A stain on those who claimed they were doing the best for the country by attempting to undermine the process at every opportunity.

As has always been said, we'll know the effect of Brexit in the years to come.

 

[Farrelli]

Only one party caused brexit, managed it badly and lied about the impacts.

[Mounts Kipper]

20 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Only one party caused brexit, managed it badly and lied about the impacts.

The UK public have been asked 3 times now and each time the majority have voted to leave or for a party standing on a leave manifesto, can you tell me what would is the impact assesment of staying in the EU? ...... No you cant because no one has a clue what the future holds and just for proof of that see the stock market declines on corona virus.  That is what democracy is all about so I would get over losing 3 times if I was you.   

Edited February 28, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Only one party caused brexit, managed it badly and lied about the impacts.

I don’t think it’s a party issue

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I don’t think it’s a party issue

Bang on.

As opposed to the usual suspects banging on in a factually incorrect manner.

[Farrelli]

47 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I don’t think it’s a party issue

EU membership was mostly an issue within the Tory Party, always was.

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I don’t think it’s a party issue

Initially no. Now it is. The main architects of the campaign are all in one party. The promises made all came from one party. 

And whilst I don't always agree with Peter Hitchens I've seen a couple of interviews where he states that a few years ago people thought the Conservative party would need to sacrifice itself one way or another to save the country, yet what happened in the end is the country sacrificed itself to save the Conservative party. Now - whilst a former Marxist in his student days you can hardly accuse Hitchens of being on the liberal pro EU left...I think he's spot on here. 

 

[miamiwhite]

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Initially no. Now it is. The main architects of the campaign are all in one party. The promises made all came from one party. 

And whilst I don't always agree with Peter Hitchens I've seen a couple of interviews where he states that a few years ago people thought the Conservative party would need to sacrifice itself one way or another to save the country, yet what happened in the end is the country sacrificed itself to save the Conservative party. Now - whilst a former Marxist in his student days you can hardly accuse Hitchens of being on the liberal pro EU left...I think he's spot on here. 

 

Your thoughts are worthless, just like that bogus report put up last night by Mick Brown.

You are better off negotiating with the coronavirus 

[miamiwhite]

3 hours ago, Farrelli said:

Only one party caused brexit, managed it badly and lied about the impacts.

Please tell me how successful the EU has been since we left ?

Varadkar has already started slating it.

The EU are infighting re who pays the shortfall since our departure.

The Eurozone is struggling more than Bolton's defence.

Daily protests in France, Spain, Brussels to name but a few....now joined by the Greeks rioting re the immigration centres being built on their islands........or did your rose tinted glasses miss all that since January 31st  ?

 

Meanwhile, back at the British ranch, we seem to be doing ok, despite your friends sulking over tea.

Here's a Friday thought for you left sided fools....

The left berate an Asian man who drinks Yorkshire tea, yet those same lefties stay silent over multiple gangs of Asian men grooming and raping Yorkshire children. 

Volumes spoken.

Edited February 28, 2020 by miamiwhite

[Farrelli]

The EU failing will be bad for the UK as it is our primary market.

The UK leaving damages the EU as it is a significant contributer, I've never argued that wasn't the case.  

I'm a believer that together we were stronger and I think that will be bad for Europe as a whole.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

The EU failing will be bad for the UK as it is our primary market.

The UK leaving damages the EU as it is a significant contributer, I've never argued that wasn't the case.  

I'm a believer that together we were stronger and I think that will be bad for Europe as a whole.

Well, it’s gone now.

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Well, it’s gone now.

Well yes, but the EU is still our primary market so I would suggest we need it to flourish if we are to do so also. 

Does that not make sense ?

[miamiwhite]

11 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Well yes, but the EU is still our primary market so I would suggest we need it to flourish if we are to do so also. 

Does that not make sense ?

So then , would you agree we are vital to them and they need to stop acting the tit and agree to our terms too ?

Works both ways....Britain will always be here, the EU will not be.

[Farrelli]

26 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

So then , would you agree we are vital to them and they need to stop acting the tit and agree to our terms too ?

Works both ways....Britain will always be here, the EU will not be.

And conversely, Britain will always be here (minus Scotland, Northern Ireland) but we need a good economic relationship with our neighbours otherwise it won't be as great. 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Well yes, but the EU is still our primary market so I would suggest we need it to flourish if we are to do so also. 

Does that not make sense ?

I hope it does flourish 

I don’t wish them any harm, but prosperity and goodwill 

 

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I hope it does flourish 

I don’t wish them any harm, but prosperity and goodwill 

 

Fair enough but Mounts and Miami are already celebrating it's demise like we won't be seriously affected in that scenario.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Fair enough but Mounts and Miami are already celebrating it's demise like we won't be seriously affected in that scenario.

There might come a time this year when it’s us v them.

[miamiwhite]

9 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

And conversely, Britain will always be here (minus Scotland, Northern Ireland) but we need a good economic relationship with our neighbours otherwise it won't be as great. 

Haha...you think Scotland will leave the Union ? I suggest you see how badly Sturgeon is getting knocked off her own lot nowadays.....she won't last too long, certainly never see a 2nd referendum with her in charge, especially seeing the main donor of her campaign met his maker in January.  She is history fella.

[miamiwhite]

6 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Fair enough but Mounts and Miami are already celebrating it's demise like we won't be seriously affected in that scenario.

I'm not celebrating its demise, I'm merely showing we will manage like we always have done when the EU is consigned to history. Why pay for free trade ? That is an ironic analogy before you start 😉😂

[Farrelli]

16 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

There might come a time this year when it’s us v them.

mmm and that is how it is being set up by our government, confrontational rather than objective.

[Farrelli]

24 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Haha...you think Scotland will leave the Union ? I suggest you see how badly Sturgeon is getting knocked off her own lot nowadays.....she won't last too long, certainly never see a 2nd referendum with her in charge, especially seeing the main donor of her campaign met his maker in January.  She is history fella.

Scotland having a second independence referendum is closer after the last election. I'm not saying it is imminent but they are moving in that direction.  Sturgeon may not be the one to deliver it but the next leader could be.

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Scotland having a second independence referendum is closer after the last election. I'm not saying it is imminent but they are moving in that direction.  Sturgeon may not be the one to deliver it but the next leader could be.

See the Unionists mate for data....they have approx 55% voting rights.....it will not happen.

Tactical voting last December accounted for the SNP  support, it won't happen in a second referendum if there ever is one.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

mmm and that is how it is being set up by our government, confrontational rather than objective.

The regular position adopted by the EU prior to, and during negotiations previously.

Both sides can play that game. Not necessarily the best thing, but May tried the nice approach and got nowhere, and in fairness, that included her own side.

I'd also suggest the demise of the EU needn't mean European countries suffering. A shift backwards towards trading only.

No reason we can't all get along perfectly well without the overburdening and costly presence of the organisation in its current guise.

Edited February 28, 2020 by Tonge moor green jacket

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

mmm and that is how it is being set up by our government, confrontational rather than objective.

Hardly, the EU have tried to dictate terms from the start and have said that it will be us v them this year, that they see us as competition. And then threw in nonsense about the Elgin Marbles.

We have straightforwardly stated our position.