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[miamiwhite]

Typical arrogance by the EU, well done Africa in telling them so.......just keep sending millions of migrants to them, that's a good lad.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1248598/european-union-africa-strategy-african-union-ethiopia-talks

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

We want something that nobody has ever done before, not just a free trade deal, but a comprehensive free trade deal that covers all aspects of trade without the other strings of EU membership 

Thats what we want fair enough, but we shouldn’t kid ourselves that the EU have done it for other countries so why not for us as it isn’t true. They aren’t being difficult for being difficult sake, this has always been the issue 

Personally I feel that we either walk away from comprehensive free trade, such as a Canada deal, take the hit to the economy OR we sacrifice some of the things that people voted for when they voted leave (not all but some) 

 

This was always the case from day 1 and it  is where I had my differences with the likes of ST who bought into the EUs bluff and bluster and said consistently we wouldn’t achieve concessions from the EU, while I said consistently we can achieve the outcome we desire which is tariff free trade, ending FOM, regaining our sovereignty and remove EU court of justice and continue the financial arrangements we currently have with the EU (the last mentioned being the most difficult to secure)

The position we are now in is that we have a government with a big majority which strengthens our position in negotiations, a systemic failure of EU monetary policy which is partly underpinned and mitigated by the Bank of England which furthers strengthens our negotiating position, nothing is guaranteed in life but I’m very positive that the deal we achieve will be one that goes further than any trade deal the EU have ever signed, all be it partly out of necessity for their own survival.

Edited February 29, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[birch-chorley]

34 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

This was always the case from day 1 and it  is where I had my differences with the likes of ST who bought into the EUs bluff and bluster and said consistently we wouldn’t achieve concessions from the EU, while I said consistently we can achieve the outcome we desire which is tariff free trade, ending FOM, regaining our sovereignty and remove EU court of justice and continue the financial arrangements we currently have with the EU (the last mentioned being the most difficult to secure)

The position we are now in is that we have a government with a big majority which strengthens our position in negotiations, a systemic failure of EU monetary policy which is partly underpinned and mitigated by the Bank of England which furthers strengthens our negotiating position, nothing is guaranteed in life but I’m very positive that the deal we achieve will be one that goes further than any trade deal the EU have ever signed, all be it partly out of necessity for their own survival.

It might go further than any free trade deal that the EU have ever signed, in fact it needs to do in order to limit the short / medium term damage for both the U.K. and EU 

However it won’t be a comprehensive free trade agreement that covers all aspects of trade unless we concede in some areas 

A huge difference between a Free Trade Agreement and a comprehensive one that covers everything like we have now 

Edited February 29, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

It might go further than any free trade deal that the EU have ever signed, in fact it needs to do in order to limit the short / medium term damage for both the U.K. and EU 

However it won’t be a comprehensive free trade agreement that covers all aspects of trade unless we concede in some areas 

A huge difference between a Free Trade Agreement and a comprehensive one that covers everything like we have now 

What do you fear it’s not going to cover? 

[birch-chorley]

30 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

What do you fear it’s not going to cover? 

Who knows, but it I don’t believe it will be a full comprehensive free trade agreement like we have now without us conceding on something 

I doubt we will concede on anything so I can see Financial Services being thrown under the bus given the public seem to hate Bankers. Probably be favourable to industries like fishing that deliver fuck all in comparison but are popular with voters 

[miamiwhite]

18 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Who knows, but it I don’t believe it will be a full comprehensive free trade agreement like we have now without us conceding on something 

I doubt we will concede on anything so I can see Financial Services being thrown under the bus given the public seem to hate Bankers. Probably be favourable to industries like fishing that deliver fuck all in comparison but are popular with voters 

I take it you didn't read the article posted by BD then ?

[Mounts Kipper]

22 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Who knows, but it I don’t believe it will be a full comprehensive free trade agreement like we have now without us conceding on something 

I doubt we will concede on anything so I can see Financial Services being thrown under the bus given the public seem to hate Bankers. Probably be favourable to industries like fishing that deliver fuck all in comparison but are popular with voters 

Not a chance, this has been covered in the last day or 2 on here, the EU cannot risk not allowing London financial access to EU markets.  Think you are worrying unnecessarily, tea bags will be part of any deal as well. 😂

Edited February 29, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[birch-chorley]

3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

I take it you didn't read the article posted by BD then ?

 

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Not a chance, this has been covered in the last day or 2 on here, the EU cannot risk not allowing London financial access to EU markets.  Think you are worrying unnecessarily, tea bags will be part of any deal as well. 😂

Let’s have it right, it’s not ‘been covered’ 

It was an article on a web site most people had never heard of quoting a Lawyer who most people have never heard of who works for a Law firm who most of us have never heard of 

Its an opinion piece like most forecasting but you both seem to accept it as conclusive fact, confirmation bias I suppose 

Yet the BBC, IFS, WTO come out with something and you rubbish it as scare mongering 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

 

Let’s have it right, it’s not ‘been covered’ 

It was an article on a web site most people had never heard of quoting a Lawyer who most people have never heard of who works for a Law firm who most of us have never heard of 

Its an opinion piece like most forecasting but you both seem to accept it as conclusive fact, confirmation bias I suppose 

Yet the BBC, IFS, WTO come out with something and you rubbish it as scare mongering 

I’ve not rubbished anything, I’ve read his report I’ve read articles from both sides and my view is common sense will prevail and a deal will be done that’s palatable and sensible for both sides to continue trading across all sectors for the good of all parties involved, not in the slightest bit worried that this won’t be the case. 

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

 

Let’s have it right, it’s not ‘been covered’ 

It was an article on a web site most people had never heard of quoting a Lawyer who most people have never heard of who works for a Law firm who most of us have never heard of 

Its an opinion piece like most forecasting but you both seem to accept it as conclusive fact, confirmation bias I suppose 

Yet the BBC, IFS, WTO come out with something and you rubbish it as scare mongering 

When will you realise its pointless

Let em tug each other off

Yiu are wasting your time

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Is it an article from an independent person, or one from someone with a specific agenda?

It would seem to make sense, that given the EU is up to its eyeballs in financial shit, it would have to have it options as open as possible.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

When will you realise its pointless

Let em tug each other off

Yiu are wasting your time

As was all the remoaning.

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

When will you realise its pointless

Let em tug each other off

Yiu are wasting your time

What are you continuing to bleat about? What you scared of? This is only ending one way and that’s satisfactorily for all parties and the U.K. can leave the EU to continue marching down the federal route that they seem so set on and we can get on making our own way in the world. 

Edited February 29, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[birch-chorley]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ve not rubbished anything, I’ve read his report I’ve read articles from both sides and my view is common sense will prevail and a deal will be done that’s palatable and sensible for both sides to continue trading across all sectors for the good of all parties involved, not in the slightest bit worried that this won’t be the case. 

 

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Is it an article from an independent person, or one from someone with a specific agenda?

It would seem to make sense, that given the EU is up to its eyeballs in financial shit, it would have to have it options as open as possible.

For the record, I have no doubt that the EU need our Financial Services sector. But let’s not pretend we don’t need them as much if not more! 

Our industrial sector like Car Manufacturing needs access to the EU and theirs needs access to ours 

We rely on food imports from the EU and they rely on us buying it 

These are all the reasons I was happy with full membership, I was more than happy to accept a very small % of our GDP being contributed along with free movement etc 

However, we are leaving so something has to give. We can either accept some concessions and stay close to the EU free market like Norway and Switzerland OR have a clean break that would see a FTA that isn’t as Comprehensive as what we have. The EU have been clear on this since day 1, they aren’t being disingenuous. 
 

We need to stop kidding ourselves that it’s all a bluff and decide on which route we would like to go down. Based on the election result it’s like to be a clean break.
 

A FTA that leaves out some key Industries like the Canada deal with a hard border down the Irish Sea with likely independence referendums in both Scotland and NI 

[Casino]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

What are you continuing to bleat about? What you scared of? This is only ending one way and that’s satisfactorily for all parties and the U.K. can leave the EU to continue marching down the federal route that they seem so set on and we can get on making our own way in the world. 

More empty rhetoric

Crack on

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

 

For the record, I have no doubt that the EU need our Financial Services sector. But let’s not pretend we don’t need them as much if not more! 
 

who’s pretending that? We need each other and that’s why it’ll get sorted

Our industrial sector like Car Manufacturing needs access to the EU and theirs needs access to ours 

agree, wouldn’t you agree that’s why it’s highly likely that it will continue. 

We rely on food imports from the EU and they rely on us buying it 

there’s lots of stuff we can but cheaper from outside EU. And will be one of the benefits of not having to abide by EU tariffs. 

Quote

These are all the reasons I was happy with full membership, I was more than happy to accept a very small % of our GDP being contributed along with free movement etc 

majority of folk weren’t happy hence we voted leave. 

However, we are leaving so something has to give. We can either accept some concessions and stay close to the EU free market like Norway and Switzerland OR have a clean break that would see a FTA that isn’t as Comprehensive as what we have. The EU have been clear on this since day 1, they aren’t being disingenuous. 

the concession is they get our money, 39 billion or if not they get to fill that gap themselves. 
 

We need to stop kidding ourselves that it’s all a bluff and decide on which route we would like to go down. Based on the election result it’s like to be a clean break.

we ain’t bluffing either. And we can pass any deal or no deal past our parliament. Can they agree no deal and get that past their parliament? And who would foot the bill?  
 

A FTA that leaves out some key Industries like the Canada deal with a hard border down the Irish Sea with likely independence referendums in both Scotland and NI 

we will see. And if they do leave so be it. 

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[miamiwhite]

37 minutes ago, Casino said:

When will you realise its pointless

Let em tug each other off

Yiu are wasting your time

Why comment yourself then ? 

Mouth.

[miamiwhite]

47 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

 

Let’s have it right, it’s not ‘been covered’ 

It was an article on a web site most people had never heard of quoting a Lawyer who most people have never heard of who works for a Law firm who most of us have never heard of 

Its an opinion piece like most forecasting but you both seem to accept it as conclusive fact, confirmation bias I suppose 

Yet the BBC, IFS, WTO come out with something and you rubbish it as scare mongering 

Expert on everything arent you ? Laughable your claim.

Let's see shall we ?

[royal white]

15 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Why comment yourself then ? 

Mouth.

He’s nearly at 60000 posts on WW mate, some people just feel the need to be relevant 

[Casino]

Says the bloke who spends his time trying to get a response on here and facebook

[royal white]

Just now, Casino said:

Says the bloke who spends his time trying to get a response on here and facebook

Whooooooosh

[Casino]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Whooooooosh

That'll earn you an internet tug.

reet, I'm off out

 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

That'll earn you an internet tug.

reet, I'm off out

 

Off out 😂😂 like fuck you would give up a Sat night posting on here to go out and socialise. 

[Zico]

Just now, royal white said:

Off out 😂😂 like fuck you would give up a Sat night posting on here to go out and socialise. 

He's going to fetch some milk for some serious moderating later

[birch-chorley]

32 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Expert on everything arent you ? Laughable your claim.

Let's see shall we ?

Not really mate, just believe that the likely outcome of the negotiation will be somewhere in the middle. Thats generally where most negotiations end up between two partners who depend on each other so much. But as you say, let’s see