2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Just hearing that our Minister for Energy Security and Net Zero has left COP28 early to make it back for the Rwanda vote 🙄

The opposite of Boris when he fucked off to the opposite side of the world to avoid voting on Heathrow expansion 

Despite saying he would lie in front of the bulldozers etc 

2 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

I've said before that I don't vote but if Farage returns he'd get my vote.

And only if its to the Conservative Party. I wouldn’t bother if it was to any small time party like Reform.

Unlikely to happen though.

Dear oh dear 😉

 

1 hour ago, DirtySanchez said:

The opposite of Boris when he fucked off to the opposite side of the world to avoid voting on Heathrow expansion 

Despite saying he would lie in front of the bulldozers etc 

An easy thing to get confused 

What he meant was he'd tell a lie in front of the bulldozers

3 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

Will they?

Sunak will spin stats about stopping the boats etc 

Daily Mail readers and the right wing will be all over it

The electorate have short minds 

Don't think it will be an annihilation 

True, wishful thinking maybe.

5 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

I've said before that I don't vote but if Farage returns he'd get my vote.

And only if its to the Conservative Party. I wouldn’t bother if it was to any small time party like Reform.

Unlikely to happen though.

Why, what do you think he would offer that nobody else can? 

8 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

Do you understand the graphs that you post? If so, maybe add a bit of context

28 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

Source?

6 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

I've said before that I don't vote but if Farage returns he'd get my vote.

And only if its to the Conservative Party. I wouldn’t bother if it was to any small time party like Reform.

Unlikely to happen though.

He’s so popular he was just outvoted on a tv show where he ate wombat dicks by a scouse boxer and a lad who no one has ever heard of.

 

57 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Source?

ONS

Makes you wonder what all those extra employees are doing. 

The source is the Houses of Parliament official statistics.

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

The source is the Houses of Parliament official statistics.

ONS is independent from government. 

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Makes you wonder what all those extra employees are doing. 

Thousands of them playing the system on full pay at home. 

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

ONS is independent from government. 

Are you suggesting the government would fudge these figures?

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

The source is the Houses of Parliament official statistics.

6 hours ago, kent_white said:

Just hearing that our Minister for Energy Security and Net Zero has left COP28 early to make it back for the Rwanda vote 🙄

https://www.ft.com/content/aac0112e-790c-11e7-a3e8-60495fe6ca71

Have a gander at this, and some history around "Pairing".

A similar tale also occurred during Brexit debates, with Brandon Lewis abstaining on some votes, but breaking his pair agreement with Jo Swinson.

On very important, key votes (eg 3 line whips) pairing isn't necessarily allowed anyhow, so even if a pairing partnership exists, it might not be used on a given occasion.

As detailed, it really highlights the need for modernisation, and the use of proxy voting or similar. 

We have a valued parliamentary system, but sometimes its archaic nature holds it back.

1 hour ago, globaldiver said:

ONS

Source of the graph 

36 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

https://www.ft.com/content/aac0112e-790c-11e7-a3e8-60495fe6ca71

Have a gander at this, and some history around "Pairing".

A similar tale also occurred during Brexit debates, with Brandon Lewis abstaining on some votes, but breaking his pair agreement with Jo Swinson.

On very important, key votes (eg 3 line whips) pairing isn't necessarily allowed anyhow, so even if a pairing partnership exists, it might not be used on a given occasion.

As detailed, it really highlights the need for modernisation, and the use of proxy voting or similar. 

We have a valued parliamentary system, but sometimes its archaic nature holds it back.

I can't read that mate, it's behind a paywall. 

I wonder why he didn't just stay at the conference if this was an option. It doesn't really give us much credibility leaving his underlings to thrash out a deal. 

If there's actually going to be one without "could" being in the proposal! 

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I can't read that mate, it's behind a paywall. 

I wonder why he didn't just stay at the conference if this was an option. It doesn't really give us much credibility leaving his underlings to thrash out a deal. 

If there's actually going to be one without "could" being in the proposal! 

Here's a paywall-avoiding link:

https://archive.md/0xWHX

Edited December 12, 20232 yr by Cheese

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

Why, what do you think he would offer that nobody else can? 

Like all the others ... probably nothing.

I just like the guy.

What do you think the others could offer that he couldn't?

2 hours ago, Spider said:

He’s so popular he was just outvoted on a tv show where he ate wombat dicks by a scouse boxer and a lad who no one has ever heard of.

 

And what lovely, likable man he was shown to be in there 😊

13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I can't read that mate, it's behind a paywall. 

I wonder why he didn't just stay at the conference if this was an option. It doesn't really give us much credibility leaving his underlings to thrash out a deal. 

If there's actually going to be one without "could" being in the proposal! 

Another one where I could see it! Weird.

Anyway, hope the article helped.

As you can see, this sort of thing does happen from time to time.

50 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Source of the graph 

It’s from the ons.gov.uk, public sector employment data. Hope that helps.

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I can't read that mate, it's behind a paywall. 

I wonder why he didn't just stay at the conference if this was an option. It doesn't really give us much credibility leaving his underlings to thrash out a deal. 

If there's actually going to be one without "could" being in the proposal! 

Pairing can only be arranged by two MPs of opposing parties

But the problem for the Tories in this instance is that a significant number of their own MPs were unwilling to support the bill, which meant they needed as many Tory MPs prepared to vote in favour of it to do so in order to try and prevent it failing