14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s not a case of proving everything with ‘data’ and graphs.

It’s blatantly obvious (to me & many others) that the government have played political games with immigration policy. Cutting skilled Home Office staff; replacing them with less skilled staff; wasting money on utterly pointless policies… The list could go on.

 All very deliberate measures that they knew would result in a huge backlog. 
 

Even now, they’re making a mess of shrinking it and creating more problems down the line.

I do not think they have political games, they have just for years been so caught in playing games that they have totally lost sight of keeping the whole public sector 'ticking over'. I have posted before about how hard it is to speak to HMRC at least an hour on hold, helpful staff but systems that are falling apart and do not talk to each other. Loads of other examples like immigration and the NHS.

Do you think they on top of things to the level they have planned this or just incompetent cunts ? There are clearly people using the situation to try and enhance their careers but the idea of a long term plan that is really only benefitting the likes of Farage is IMO far fetched. 

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

I do not think they have political games, they have just for years been so caught in playing games that they have totally lost sight of keeping the whole public sector 'ticking over'. I have posted before about how hard it is to speak to HMRC at least an hour on hold, helpful staff but systems that are falling apart and do not talk to each other. Loads of other examples like immigration and the NHS.

Do you think they on top of things to the level they have planned this or just incompetent cunts ? There are clearly people using the situation to try and enhance their careers but the idea of a long term plan that is really only benefitting the likes of Farage is IMO far fetched. 

In some cases, absolutely.

 Jeremy Hunt for example wrote about the deliberate dismantling of the NHS through managed decline.

 They play games with public services all the time. 
 

One big mixing pot of incompetence, austerity and deliberate neglect.

I see the First Minister of Scotland could do with someone explaining to him how devolution works

20 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think if the Tories were making any proper dent in the backlog, we'd know all about it because they wouldn't be shy in letting us know

 

And I think if they weren’t the many parties out there would be busy letting everyone know. 

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

And I think if they weren’t the many parties out there would be busy letting everyone know. 

You clearly don't pay much attention.

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

You clearly don't pay much attention.

Go on then 

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Go on then 

It was covered 3 pages back, before you made up your "4 lads got fired" story.

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It was covered 3 pages back, before you made up your "4 lads got fired" story.

Theres nothing 3 pages back about opposing parties not making a dent in the backlog. Who posted it? 
 

*are you talking about the link from July 😂😂

Edited December 8, 20232 yr by royal white

10 hours ago, Sweep said:

But we'd still be better with this lot staying in charge, rather than let Labour in, ask @bolty58 he'll confirm 😉

The shittiest of shitty blue governments will always be better the the most excellent socialist government in my view so yes, I confirm 

I would vote for Reform UK next time around. No doubt about it. As has been said many times, there is only a cigarette paper between the current Conservative Light and Starmers sanitised version of the CPGB so what would be the point of voting for any of them? Centrist politics is and has always been an exercise in beige boredom which never achieves anything notable.

Vote Reform UK. You know it makes sense.

9 hours ago, Sweep said:

I'm not sure there's anything wrong with that, as long as you're happy to see both sides. Even King of the Gammons, Farage, is happy to admit Brexit isn't delivering, because those trusted to enact it, have royally fucked it up.

We voted leave, if we'd got on with it and not fucked it up, it might not have been so bad. You can blame "remoaners" and sinister slags all you want, with an 80+ seat majority, and a promised oven ready deal, Johnson has/had no excuse for not delivering. Yet, people will still blame anybody but the Government

You missed the real interference runners. Civil Service. Needs routing and fast.

6 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Labour have been criticising them for allowing the backlog to grow.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-07-11/debates/7568707E-1542-430C-BE00-2E55C0B37FEC/IllegalMigrationBill

They are either deported or given citizenship.

65% granted asylum too

4 hours ago, royal white said:

Thats 4 that I know of and no one said they’ve solved it. You agreed with @London Wanderer that they’re doing nothing to reduce the backlog. What data have you both seen to come to this conclusion? 

How many people are waiting to be processed

Would it be less if we tried harder

Would it make more sense to fund more processing than wasting cash on cruellas impossible dream

3 hours ago, royal white said:

The data from April is of no use in this debate. So let’s get that out of the Way. 
 

Again, the reason I asked is because I know some lads who have been laid off because there’s not as many asylum seekers where they are. Maybe they were laid off for another reason who knows (I know what my guess would be) but you land LW seek convinced that nothing is being done to clear the backlog. Now seeing as though the PM has made it clear he wants the backlog cleared by the end of the year (maybe a bit optimistic) you would think the other parties would be all over this, they don’t seem to be, yet you and LW are. I’ll put it down to you lying……again. 

are you mates guarding the fucking overflowing hotels?

 

34 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

The shittiest of shitty blue governments will always be better the the most excellent socialist government in my view 

 

You're crackers

Though, to be fair, i thought that til a few years back

At least you dont get a vote, thank fuck

6 hours ago, Casino said:

You're crackers

Though, to be fair, i thought that til a few years back

At least you dont get a vote, thank fuck

He does, doesn't he? At least he said he did.

He's just a pretty gullible bloke who lacks any facility for critical analysis. His posts are always the same, have no basis in actual facts and are just direct bleeting from what he heard from the latest ring wing broadcast.

He's also a good bellweather- it's another reason why the Conservatives keep ploughing this Rwanda scheme or other culture war nonsense - they think it keeps the ring wing if the party supporters away from Reform, but despite being loud on social media etc voters such as Bolty don't represent a real threat to them as their views (ironically despite the silent majority bollocks) are very much in the minority.

People overall want a social liberal, economically small C Conservative- and have pretty much voted this way. It's why Labour are polling so well (as well as the shambles on the right of the house) because they are pretty much towing that line.

Reform UK probably won't get their disposits back where they stand.

8 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Is the Metropole still full?

Yep. No sign of em shifitng either. Theres fuck all houses in the town. 

Like I say the next lot are being to sent to army barracks in Weeton. Locals are really pleased about that one.

 

 

7 hours ago, Casino said:

You're crackers

Though, to be fair, i thought that til a few years back

At least you dont get a vote, thank fuck

 I tuned out when you claimed that you 'thought'.

Shouldn't you be at the madrasa at this time on a Saturday morning?

8 hours ago, Casino said:

How many people are waiting to be processed

Would it be less if we tried harder

Would it make more sense to fund more processing than wasting cash on cruellas impossible dream

More has been done to fund processing that’s is why it’s my guess the numbers are less. 
 

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle dum claim they’re choosing not to clear the backlog, you will have to ask them how many are waiting as it’s clear they know the numbers. 

 

8 hours ago, Casino said:

are you mates guarding the fucking overflowing hotels?

 

No these one were at the facility near Margate 

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Yep. No sign of em shifitng either. Theres fuck all houses in the town. 

Like I say the next lot are being to sent to army barracks in Weeton. Locals are really pleased about that one.

 

 

When did they close the barracks down? 

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

When did they close the barracks down? 

Quite an assumption. Don’t bet against the folk doing the actual soldiering having to move out to accommodate them.

2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

 

Reform UK probably won't get their disposits back where they stand.

Absolutely, they may take a few Tory votes, but they won't win a single seat, and as you say, will get so few votes in most places, they may not even get their deposit back. 

10 hours ago, bolty58 said:

The shittiest of shitty blue governments will always be better the the most excellent socialist government in my view so yes, I confirm 

I would vote for Reform UK next time around. No doubt about it. As has been said many times, there is only a cigarette paper between the current Conservative Light and Starmers sanitised version of the CPGB so what would be the point of voting for any of them? Centrist politics is and has always been an exercise in beige boredom which never achieves anything notable.

Vote Reform UK. You know it makes sense.

Isn't Reform headed up by that crazy climate change denier?

I reckon these four lads have been replaced by the blokes they just processed.

1 hour ago, MickyD said:

Quite an assumption. Don’t bet against the folk doing the actual soldiering having to move out to accommodate them.

Haha good point