Politics

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

There's a similar thing going on in France, but Macron's lost his vote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67683314.amp

[freds dad]

 

[Zico]

18 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

There's a similar thing going on in France, but Macron's lost his vote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67683314.amp

Dunno why but this amused me 

Can't please anyone these days 

MPs from the far right, far left and moderate parties voted on Monday to reject the draft law.

The left argued its measures were too repressive, while the right said they were not tough enough

[bolty58]

11 hours ago, gonzo said:

The more I think about Nigel Farage running for an election the more I think he could win. Trump style. 

Fuck me what have we become.

Enlightened?

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Sweep said:

Why, what do you think he would offer that nobody else can? 

Stoicism. A true feel for what the majority of people want. The common touch.

He has it all.

[Winchester White]

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Stoicism. A true feel for what the majority of people want. The common touch.

He has it all.

 

[bolty58]

What a surprise. Yet another southern based Chardonnay socialist doesn't agree.

 

[Winchester White]

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

What a surprise. Yet another southern based Chardonnay socialist doesn't agree.

 

I am not southern based, I just happened to rejoin years back when the site had a wobbler with a new name when I was living in Winchester for work.

I am not a socialist by any stretch but also I am not a libertarian either.

[Sweep]

10 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Like all the others ... probably nothing.

I just like the guy.

What do you think the others could offer that he couldn't?

Nothing, I don't think he's any better or any worse, he's just a lot higher profile. I'll still use my vote, one way or another, no matter if he decides to stand or not.

I was just interested that he's the only person, who could tempt you into voting in a GE, and only if he was at 1 particular party

Edited December 13, 2023 by Sweep

[Sweep]

12 hours ago, royal white said:

Thousands of them playing the system on full pay at home. 

Indeed, The NHS is so over bloated and inefficient it's untrue. The sooner it's privatised the better.

One of my mates does maintenance at Watford General, he says it's the easiest job in the world, but it's infuriating what he's "directed" to do - such as he can only buy stuff (tools, screws etc) from one of two approved suppliers, who absolutely rinse the cost. He needs sign off to even change a light strip.....and then 2 of them need to do it, after they've cordoned off a massive area. He honestly says it's like a piss take, and everything has to take as long as possible, with maximum inconvenience.   

[Sweep]

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Stoicism. A true feel for what the majority of people want. The common touch.

He has it all.

I'm not sure that's the case, he's too polarising. He would though, be perfect for the Conservative Party, and I think they'll do all they can to get him on board after the inevitable white wash at the next GE.......which I suspect might actually happen the first half of 2024

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I saw a clip of GB News the other day and they had a clock in the corner of the screen counting down the time until Farage's return to the channel

[bolty58]

16 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I'm not sure that's the case, he's too polarising. He would though, be perfect for the Conservative Party, and I think they'll do all they can to get him on board after the inevitable white wash at the next GE.......which I suspect might actually happen the first half of 2024

You could well be on to something.

[wanderer1984]

25 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Nothing, I don't think he's any better or any worse, he's just a lot higher profile. I'll still use my vote, one way or another, no matter if he decides to stand or not.

I was just interested that he's the only person, who could tempt you into voting in a GE, and only if he was at 1 particular party

It's unlikely he'll be In the Conservative hot seat and even more so Labour.

The rest are a waste of time. Imo.

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, Winchester White said:

I am not southern based, I just happened to rejoin years back when the site had a wobbler with a new name when I was living in Winchester for work.

I am not a socialist by any stretch but also I am not a libertarian either.

Is there anything else you would like to tell the class?  

[Sweep]

25 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

It's unlikely he'll be In the Conservative hot seat and even more so Labour.

The rest are a waste of time. Imo.

It would be amazing if he rocked up as leader of Labour one day 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

42 minutes ago, Sweep said:

It would be amazing if he rocked up as leader of Labour one day 😁

They'd put a fatwa on him to stop it.

[royal white]

I see Rishi and Suella are to blame for some guy hanging himself on the barge. Well according to the left on Twitter anyway 

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

I see Rishi and Suella are to blame for some guy hanging himself on the barge. Well according to the left on Twitter anyway 

one less person we have to pay for, so not all bad

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

one less person we have to pay for, so not all bad

I’m sure he will soon be replaced 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

38 minutes ago, royal white said:

I see Rishi and Suella are to blame for some guy hanging himself on the barge. Well according to the left on Twitter anyway 

Of course.

They personally strung him up with some docking rope.

 

 

[Ani]

9 hours ago, Sweep said:

Indeed, The NHS is so over bloated and inefficient it's untrue. The sooner it's privatised the better.

One of my mates does maintenance at Watford General, he says it's the easiest job in the world, but it's infuriating what he's "directed" to do - such as he can only buy stuff (tools, screws etc) from one of two approved suppliers, who absolutely rinse the cost. He needs sign off to even change a light strip.....and then 2 of them need to do it, after they've cordoned off a massive area. He honestly says it's like a piss take, and everything has to take as long as possible, with maximum inconvenience.   

The NHS as all public services are currently screwed from 14 years of mis management. Privatising them is what some would argue the mis management has all been about.

Surely the first question is how do we make them fit for purpose not 'sell them'. 
Immigration we will have spunked 3-400 million on the Rwanda scheme. NHS is inefficient and we spunk 100s of millions a year on agency staff rather than supporting existing staff and developing world class training schemes to bring new staff on line and develop other staff to develop rather than jump ship for the Agency money or fuck off to Oz.

None of it is going to be easy but giving up on public services and selling it off is not the only option. Yes it needs reform but you do not flush it all away. Look how fucked up PPE contracts were in pandemic, all the utility companies owned by foreigners, trains similar. Everyone who voted for Brexit must be up in arms that we will sell the family silver to the highest bidder and hand over control. Even after all the money from the side of the bus ! 
 

The sad thing is I think the sell off is inevitable and then we will no longer have the option to control our own destiny. 

[mickbrown]

16 minutes ago, Ani said:

The NHS as all public services are currently screwed from 14 years of mis management. Privatising them is what some would argue the mis management has all been about.

Surely the first question is how do we make them fit for purpose not 'sell them'. 
Immigration we will have spunked 3-400 million on the Rwanda scheme. NHS is inefficient and we spunk 100s of millions a year on agency staff rather than supporting existing staff and developing world class training schemes to bring new staff on line and develop other staff to develop rather than jump ship for the Agency money or fuck off to Oz.

None of it is going to be easy but giving up on public services and selling it off is not the only option. Yes it needs reform but you do not flush it all away. Look how fucked up PPE contracts were in pandemic, all the utility companies owned by foreigners, trains similar. Everyone who voted for Brexit must be up in arms that we will sell the family silver to the highest bidder and hand over control. Even after all the money from the side of the bus ! 
 

The sad thing is I think the sell off is inevitable and then we will no longer have the option to control our own destiny. 

Classic Tory tactic. 
 

See rail, utilities etc etc etc. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think there's probably zero possibility of the NHS being privatised

Politically, it's just untenable

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think there's probably zero possibility of the NHS being privatised

Politically, it's just untenable

These things don't happen overnight. The NHS is already a long way down the road of being privatised. It'll never be a Manifesto Pledge.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Cheese