28 minutes ago, Casino said:

While i have little doubt retirement age will be increased, i fear for folk in manual work when we do

Be fine for wfh desk jockeys

Without contributing immigrants, we are fucked anyway

Not just us, btw

Lets not forget badenough has an issue with maternity leave, the gormless bastard

 

 

Don’t underestimate the health impact of desk jockeys.

Theyre at the opposite end of the spectrum and tend to have sedantry lifestyles that result in debilitating ailments that mean they’re piling into the NHS for a whole range of treatments.

like gout

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m sure it was @gonzo who posted a link on here not long ago citing the real reason many poles are leaving not just the U.K. but many country’s around the world to go back home. Blaming Brexit is a weak argument. 

It's all they do.

Bad news? Blame Brexit.

Good news? Doesn't exist.

5 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

It's all they do.

Bad news? Blame Brexit.

Good news? Doesn't exist.

You’re probably right.

But just to fully prove the point, give us a few Brexit benefits and shut this all down once and for all.

The floor is yours ☺️

Edited December 4, 20241 yr by Spider

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

 

like gout

I knew you were a fat fucker!

Tomorrow morning you should get up early, go for a run or do some press-ups, just do something, piggy. 🐖 🐷 🐽 🐗 

10 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m sure it was @gonzo who posted a link on here not long ago citing the real reason many poles are leaving not just the U.K. but many country’s around the world to go back home. Blaming Brexit is a weak argument. 

Again thats a distraction. We were in a market where someone could come freely without a visa work in any job for any period of time - bring their family or not - go home, come back. A large market where our jobs were very competitive. It was a critical part of the economy.

We aren’t in that now and thus have to face the realities of how we replace people in that market we previously would have had working here. 

Again - I’m only pointing out the realities. No point beating round the bush - we aren’t politicians. Starmer is playing a political game but just like the Tories and just like anyone else who pretends our economy isn’t reliant on immigrant workers something will have to give. The Tories managed to import record numbers and still feck the economy. I’d rather hope Labour don’t do that. 

3 minutes ago, PatrickBateman said:

I knew you were a fat fucker!

Tomorrow morning you should get up early, go for a run or do some press-ups, just do something, piggy. 🐖 🐷 🐽 🐗 

Go on

a couple of Brexit benefits to shut everyone up.

This is your big chance.

Just now, Spider said:

Go on

a couple of Brexit benefits to shut everyone up.

This is your big chance.

FFS. Give them a chance mate, they've only had 9 years.

Why’s Patrick think everyone is a chubster?

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

FFS. Give them a chance mate, they've only had 9 years.

He is one of “them” 😉

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Why’s Patrick think everyone is a chubster?

I think he might be quite an obese chap himself, and is hoping he’s amongst fellow lardarses.

Id disappoint him, as I’m still able to look down and admire my Johnson without breathing in.

Just now, royal white said:

He is one of “them” 😉

That believed the bullshit, yes. He's since admitted he got it wrong. Not you though. So go on. Give us an example. It should be really easy.

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Again thats a distraction. We were in a market where someone could come freely without a visa work in any job for any period of time - bring their family or not - go home, come back. A large market where our jobs were very competitive. It was a critical part of the economy.

We aren’t in that now and thus have to face the realities of how we replace people in that market we previously would have had working here. 

Again - I’m only pointing out the realities. No point beating round the bush - we aren’t politicians. Starmer is playing a political game but just like the Tories and just like anyone else who pretends our economy isn’t reliant on immigrant workers something will have to give. The Tories managed to import record numbers and still feck the economy. I’d rather hope Labour don’t do that. 

It’s not a distraction at all. Many Polish are leaving many country’s to go back home as their country is thriving, why on earth would they want to work away from home, 6/8 to a house when they can earn similar back home? Make it make sense. 
 

As for the visas, it’s hardly a hard process, and its only the same as many 1000s from non EU countries have to go through. 

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

That believed the bullshit, yes. He's since admitted he got it wrong. Not you though. So go on. Give us an example. It should be really easy.

You know that I didn’t vote you silly Billy. 

17 hours ago, tomski said:

Whether you want to be part of the ‘EU’ or not. I think it’s dangerous to cheer any collapse. History tells us that lesson.

 

7 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

Not sure anyone is "cheering" the French and German situations as such

Well, some are cheering it 😊

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I won't be holding back. I despise big government, bureaucracy, overbearing nannyism - whatever you want to call it. The EU is a (if not 'the') prime example of all of these with all of its attendant inequity and corruption.

I'll be cheering through the biggest loud hailer I can find.

 

 

This is a great piece on it all.

I don't think people realise how much we actually need migration.

But people conflate migration with boat people.

We don't need them. We need proper migrants here to put a shift in.

Brexit really has fucked us 😕

 

 

9 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

This is a great piece on it all.

I don't think people realise how much we actually need migration.

But people conflate migration with boat people.

We don't need them. We need proper migrants here to put a shift in.

Brexit really has fucked us 😕

 

 

When you say people, who do you mean ? Your post is exactly right by the way. Wales, Scotland, rural parts of England are desperate for migrants to maintain their key industries. If we had processed the migrants appropriately it would have helped our economy by utilising the legal ones and their skills.
 

The people fixated by ‘stop the boats, migrants are bad’ are in a certain “special” category but I don’t want to upset anyone (again)!

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

When you say people, who do you mean ? Your post is exactly right by the way. Wales, Scotland, rural parts of England are desperate for migrants to maintain their key industries. If we had processed the migrants appropriately it would have helped our economy by utilising the legal ones and their skills.
 

The people fixated by ‘stop the boats, migrants are bad’ are in a certain “special” category but I don’t want to upset anyone (again)!

The people you mention in your second paragraph.

We 100% need to stop the boats. Hordes of Vietnamese and Albanians will not aid our population issues or economy in any single way. 

Saying this doesn't make you racist or right wing.

Neither does it mean you believe all migration should be stopped. Some will obviously think this but they are fucking idiots.

We need to make it easy, profitable and attractive to people wanting to live here in a better life, make some money and contribute to our economy and society.

Trouble is the only people we are now attractive to is people wanting to exploit our system.

It's a complete shit show.

 

33 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The people you mention in your second paragraph.

We 100% need to stop the boats. Hordes of Vietnamese and Albanians will not aid our population issues or economy in any single way. 

Saying this doesn't make you racist or right wing.

Neither does it mean you believe all migration should be stopped. Some will obviously think this but they are fucking idiots.

We need to make it easy, profitable and attractive to people wanting to live here in a better life, make some money and contribute to our economy and society.

Trouble is the only people we are now attractive to is people wanting to exploit our system.

It's a complete shit show.

 

Posted this before, from GB News.

 

https://www.gbnews.com/news/keir-starmer-three-record-breaking-flights-over-600-migrants-deported-nearly-10000-removed-since-election

Would have thought a few on here would be delighted that we are sending all these back. The first part of tackling this has to be processing people and actually doing our job. Won't grab any headlines in the tabloid press but got to be good news. 
 

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

Posted this before, from GB News.

 

https://www.gbnews.com/news/keir-starmer-three-record-breaking-flights-over-600-migrants-deported-nearly-10000-removed-since-election

Would have thought a few on here would be delighted that we are sending all these back. The first part of tackling this has to be processing people and actually doing our job. Won't grab any headlines in the tabloid press but got to be good news. 
 

Yep. The Tories stopped processing migrants which completely prevented any positive outcomes or benefits to the economy. They created an expensive bottleneck which was eating money and feeding the anti immigrant narrative just to further their Rwanda plan and try to retain right wing voters. 

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

The people you mention in your second paragraph.

We 100% need to stop the boats. Hordes of Vietnamese and Albanians will not aid our population issues or economy in any single way. 

Saying this doesn't make you racist or right wing.

Neither does it mean you believe all migration should be stopped. Some will obviously think this but they are fucking idiots.

We need to make it easy, profitable and attractive to people wanting to live here in a better life, make some money and contribute to our economy and society.

Trouble is the only people we are now attractive to is people wanting to exploit our system.

It's a complete shit show.

 

The people coming in boats are tiny in numbers relative to what we need. And the issue has been we’ve simply not processed them and the bill is eye watering.

But just because someone has rocked up in a boat doesn’t mean they couldn’t contribute here. If someone of working age arrives and is successful in an asylum claim we should be getting them into work. Returning those who have no right to be here. And ensuring that those who do are contributing.

In the 900K who come here ‘officially’ they are from Nigeria, India, the Middle East. 

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

 

In the 900K who come here ‘officially’ they are from Nigeria, India, the Middle East. 

...but Brexit was supposed give us full control of our borders and stop brown people coming here

Edited December 5, 20241 yr by Sweep

57 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The people coming in boats are tiny in numbers relative to what we need. And the issue has been we’ve simply not processed them and the bill is eye watering.

But just because someone has rocked up in a boat doesn’t mean they couldn’t contribute here. If someone of working age arrives and is successful in an asylum claim we should be getting them into work. Returning those who have no right to be here. And ensuring that those who do are contributing.

In the 900K who come here ‘officially’ they are from Nigeria, India, the Middle East. 

The only reason most come on boats is to exploit the system. They don't want to contribute fuck all. That's the problem.

There's only one reason 50 Vietnamese lads are tipping up on a boat. Same reason the gang of Albanians or Kurds. They're not here to pick fruit or mop floors at Townleys.

That issue and the proper migration issue are two different things.

We need proper migrants here to contribute.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Spider said:

Don’t underestimate the health impact of desk jockeys.

Theyre at the opposite end of the spectrum and tend to have sedantry lifestyles that result in debilitating ailments that mean they’re piling into the NHS for a whole range of treatments.

like gout

I was thinking more the mental health aspects of modern instant return email culture.

I was put onto alopurinol by mate who suffered gout whilst running marathons

36 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The only reason most come on boats is to exploit the system. They don't want to contribute fuck all. That's the problem.

There's only one reason 50 Vietnamese lads are tipping up on a boat. Same reason the gang of Albanians or Kurds. They're not here to pick fruit or mop floors at Townleys.

That issue and the proper migration issue are two different things.

We need proper migrants here to contribute.

 

 

 

I mean Vietnamese and Albanian folk have no right to be here and should be returned, and now thankfully are.

But plenty who come over in boats aren’t criminals but just people fleeing where they came from and are perfectly capable of contributing here. And given they are here we may as well get them contributing. I’d rather that than our taxes were used to put them up in hotels. 
 

28 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I mean Vietnamese and Albanian folk have no right to be here and should be returned, and now thankfully are.

But plenty who come over in boats aren’t criminals but just people fleeing where they came from and are perfectly capable of contributing here. And given they are here we may as well get them contributing. I’d rather that than our taxes were used to put them up in hotels. 
 

They might not be criminals but they're often indebted to the criminal gangs that organise the people trafficking and as a result, many of them disappear once they've arrived as they are forced to work for said criminal gangs to pay off their debt.