Politics

[boltonboris]

9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Its that way now. Legacy media determines very little now in terms of political votes.

Aye, but it's going to get even worse isn't - Bots without recourse, conscience and nothing stopping them pumping out fake videos of politicians abusing people, doing drugs of a midget strippers torso, fucking a pigs head etc and it'll be "the world is entitled to see whatever is out there, real or not" and people will lap that shit up..

The more I think about it, the more I think middle aged reform voters are going to get further radicalised... My Mum was apoplectic at the Tesco Meal Deal boat video. When I explained it was AI, she said "well yeah that might be, but this is really happening"

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

Aye, but it's going to get even worse isn't - Bots without recourse, conscience and nothing stopping them pumping out fake videos of politicians abusing people, doing drugs of a midget strippers torso, fucking a pigs head etc and it'll be "the world is entitled to see whatever is out there, real or not" and people will lap that shit up..

The more I think about it, the more I think middle aged reform voters are going to get further radicalised... My Mum was apoplectic at the Tesco Meal Deal boat video. When I explained it was AI, she said "well yeah that might be, but this is really happening"

Was just about to say, old cunts are far more likely to be fooled by AI and fake news than 16 year olds are.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Can't serve in the armed forces as a regular.

Can't drive at 16.

Unless in an apprenticeship, or employment, everyone must remain in education until 18.

Can't watch porn, or visit certain websites (alcohol related).

Can't buy fireworks, alcohol, super glue, knives, can't get married and can't actually stand for election. 

But can vote in one.

The tax argument doesn't stand neither: Anyone, irrespective of age, pays tax on earnings.

Would a child actor, a minor, therefore be allowed to vote?

The state places a lot of restrictions on young people, and if anything has increased the age threshold-the tobacco bill for example.

If the state believes young people aren't mature enough for so many things, then it doesn't follow that they are to vote.

Screecher 😉

 It’s done. Was a manifesto pledge that they were voted in on.

Voting isn’t the same as being allowed to drink & shouldn’t be as such.

 Time to move on.

[mickbrown]

47 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Was just about to say, old cunts are far more likely to be fooled by AI and fake news than 16 year olds are.

They swallowed Farage's bullshit like day old Werthers

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

They swallowed Farage's bullshit like day old Werthers

And the young uns swallowed Starmers bull shit this time round 

[Not in Crawley]

That's only correct if you consider anyone under 60 as young as Labour was the largest voting block in every age group under that age.

18 - 25 they had the highest of any group voting Green.

[Not in Crawley]

2 hours ago, boltonboris said:

Aye, but it's going to get even worse isn't - Bots without recourse, conscience and nothing stopping them pumping out fake videos of politicians abusing people, doing drugs of a midget strippers torso, fucking a pigs head etc and it'll be "the world is entitled to see whatever is out there, real or not" and people will lap that shit up..

The more I think about it, the more I think middle aged reform voters are going to get further radicalised... My Mum was apoplectic at the Tesco Meal Deal boat video. When I explained it was AI, she said "well yeah that might be, but this is really happening"

Not sure about getting worse. It was worse when people just gave away data and didn't realise. There is now an awareness amongst many how social media does manipulate on a more targeted level.

It'll be interesting to see now Gen Z are coming to working age what this throws up in the next ten years.

[Casino]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Screecher 😉

 It’s done. Was a manifesto pledge that they were voted in on.

Voting isn’t the same as being allowed to drink & shouldn’t be as such.

 Time to move on.

Id stop over 75s voting as well

[Casino]

In fact, make it 60

[Spider]

16 minutes ago, Casino said:

Id stop over 75s voting as well

And folk who live abroad wrapped in union jacks

[Winchester White]

Just now, Spider said:

And folk who live abroad wrapped in union jacks

Can you vote if you live abroad? I assume you need to have some presence in the UK to allow you to vote.

[Sweep]

19 minutes ago, Casino said:

Id stop over 75s voting as well

Over 75s should 100% lose the vote, I don't think they'd much of an argument against that. They should also have their driving licence revoked as well. 

[Spider]

Just now, Winchester White said:

Can you vote if you live abroad? I assume you need to have some presence in the UK to allow you to vote.

Yes, but you have to make a trifle on voting day and tell anyone who’ll listen that Britain has been shite since they left

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Can you vote if you live abroad? I assume you need to have some presence in the UK to allow you to vote.

I think you can, but you shouldn't be allowed to

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Screecher 😉

 It’s done. Was a manifesto pledge that they were voted in on.

Voting isn’t the same as being allowed to drink & shouldn’t be as such.

 Time to move on.

Go on, explain how those facts are "screeching".

They are legitimate indicators of two approaches to the maturity or otherwise of 16 year olds.

Voting isn't the same as being allowed to drink- it is of more importance- not that that has any bearing on the matter whatsoever. 

I'm intrigued to know just how many people you think voted for labour at the last election as a result of this proposal above other major issues 

I reckon you wouldn't find a single person who made it their first priority, and for many it will have been a side issue to which they gave little consideration. 

It will be interesting to see if any lawyers will be sniffing about, looking to challenge those boundaries, using human rights type arguments.

There may even be some legitimacy to the argument too- a brief look suggests the age of majority includes several things, one being the right to vote, therefore would it be against their rights to be denied the same opportunities as other adults?

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

Over 75s should 100% lose the vote, I don't think they'd much of an argument against that. They should also have their driving licence revoked as well. 

The problem with that is that Pensioners lose any influence. Triple lock would disappear straight away. Most Pensioners are still paying tax.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Can you vote if you live abroad? I assume you need to have some presence in the UK to allow you to vote.

Yes and if you are a Pensioner in Spain you still get the heating allowance, irrespective of your income.

That is due to Boriss Brexit deal. 

[BobyBrno]

Interesting that kids of 12 will be voting in the next election. Like the girl in the 🇬🇧dress. Wonder which way she’ll vote?

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

The problem with that is that Pensioners lose any influence. Triple lock would disappear straight away. Most Pensioners are still paying tax.

Oh no, what a shame that would be.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age/

[London Wanderer]

24 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Go on, explain how those facts are "screeching".

They are legitimate indicators of two approaches to the maturity or otherwise of 16 year olds.

Voting isn't the same as being allowed to drink- it is of more importance- not that that has any bearing on the matter whatsoever. 

I'm intrigued to know just how many people you think voted for labour at the last election as a result of this proposal above other major issues 

I reckon you wouldn't find a single person who made it their first priority, and for many it will have been a side issue to which they gave little consideration. 

It will be interesting to see if any lawyers will be sniffing about, looking to challenge those boundaries, using human rights type arguments.

There may even be some legitimacy to the argument too- a brief look suggests the age of majority includes several things, one being the right to vote, therefore would it be against their rights to be denied the same opportunities as other adults?

Haha

I don't need to. There was a wink next to it that you appear to have missed & taken it all a bit too seriously.

A 16 year old is more than capable of making a mature voting decision. Like any voters, that might change over the years to come, they may even a regret a decision. 

Being mature isn't a good enough reason in my eyes. An adult can lack maturity as well. One could be a fairly rational head screwed on teenager, and one could be a tinfoil hat 30 plus year old. 

Your reaction just seems a bit over the top. Voting is very different to accessing pornography, smoking and drinking alcohol. Those age restrictions are rooted in mental and physical health. And if you reduce them to 16, then 14/15 year olds might do those things thinking they're not far off, therefore it's fine. Like I did to be fair. Whereas with voting, there's no chance of you doing it younger. Some things just require differing age restrictions - that doesn't become a reason to argue against reducing the voting age. 

We are too controlling of our teenagers anyway. Even keeping some of them in education when many might want to go out to work younger doesn't seem right. For many, formal/academic education is just a waste of their time & talent. 

This is a progressive policy with a lot of support. Plenty disagree as well. But as is the case with many freedoms we now take for granted and all agree on. Bring it on - credit where it's due to Labour 👏 (Even if they do a U turn in a few weeks). 

Edited July 17, 2025 by London Wanderer

[tyldesley_white]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Can you vote if you live abroad? I assume you need to have some presence in the UK to allow you to vote.

Yes you can vote , register and vote by mail, when the voting slip arrives at your address 

Edited July 17, 2025 by tyldesley_white

[mickbrown]

29 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Interesting that kids of 12 will be voting in the next election. Like the girl in the 🇬🇧dress. Wonder which way she’ll vote?

Whichever way her dad tells her I imagine. 

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Whichever way her dad tells her I imagine. 

Exactly. Seems he's a bit of a wrong'un with history and has now used his 12 year old daughter for a publicity stunt. 

[royal white]

So are we ok with the 18 year old reform lad running his local council? 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

Exactly. Seems he's a bit of a wrong'un with history and has now used his 12 year old daughter for a publicity stunt. 

What’s his history?