Politics

[Not in Crawley]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Burnham is a lot further to the Left than Starmer is, so I find it slightly baffling that even Bolty likes him. It can only be down to personality - which I would agree is something the current cabinet are severely lacking.

Thats the thing, he has a much further left agenda but these days im sure no one votes on policies just if people like someone.

He does appeal to those in the North at Labour need to win, but his background is very similar to Starmer (again i dont understand this Starmer is a London elite - all perception again, they are both just two very bright working class men, one from Surrey one from Liverpool - again the perception of North/South class divide not being reality)

He's a stronger communicator than Starmer but I just dont see him as PM - plus hes further left than me in general and also this whole discussion isnt good for the sability of the government anyway.

 

[gonzo]

We aren't far behind the yanks in people voting for someone that sounds good on the telly.

[Casino]

Even if starmer wanted out and burnham wanted in, good luck finding him a constituency

[Not in Crawley]

13 minutes ago, gonzo said:

We aren't far behind the yanks in people voting for someone that sounds good on the telly.

Which is why you get daft debates now about taking a £10 bet if people are eating Swans in the royal parks 😵‍💫

Housing, Food bills, ulitilty bills, education costs, future employment opportunities outside big cities, costs of transport....

Nah, lets talk about people cooking birds and frying Carp. 

Edited September 25, 2025 by Not in Crawley

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Even if starmer wanted out and burnham wanted in, good luck finding him a constituency

It'd be a shit show. Reform would pile into the area - it'd be all the media would talk about for weeks and we're back to this whole leadership nonsense we dont need as a country.

Im not a huge fan of how Starmer seems unable to manage a narrative but I just dont think this is helpful so soon into a term with a huge majority.

[Sweep]

22 minutes ago, gonzo said:

We aren't far behind the yanks in people voting for someone that sounds good on the telly.

Boris Johnson was voted for*, because he was "amusing" apparently . Fuck all talent, a proven liar, and no policies as such. Eventually he was proven to be absolute dogshit

 

*yes, I know we don't vote for a PM, but most of the thick as fuck UK population don't 

[Winchester White]

11 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Boris Johnson was voted for*, because he was "amusing" apparently . Fuck all talent, a proven liar, and no policies as such. Eventually he was proven to be absolute dogshit

 

*yes, I know we don't vote for a PM, but most of the thick as fuck UK population don't 

He's an eccentric according to Bolty. Like fuck he is, he's a con man just like Farage and fools the gullible.

[Not in Crawley]

13 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Boris Johnson was voted for*, because he was "amusing" apparently . Fuck all talent, a proven liar, and no policies as such. Eventually he was proven to be absolute dogshit

 

*yes, I know we don't vote for a PM, but most of the thick as fuck UK population don't 

Ive still to meet a Reform voter who can go through their policies and which of them they support.

Other than - Nigel will sort it.

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Ive still to meet a Reform voter who can go through their policies and which of them they support.

Other than - Nigel will sort it.

The way the current public mood seems to be, they only need the one policy, which is to stop the small boats. The average Reform voter isn't interested in any other detail/policy at present. 

 

[boltonboris]

He's going to sort Immigration out..

How?

By stopping immigration

How?

By sending them back and stopping the boats

How?

By Kicking them out and turning the boats round...

H... Ok. Thanks

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

He's going to sort Immigration out..

How?

By stopping immigration

How?

By sending them back and stopping the boats

How?

By Kicking them out and turning the boats round...

H... Ok. Thanks

Up there with “smash the gangs”

[mickbrown]

40 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Ive still to meet a Reform voter who can go through their policies and which of them they support.

Other than - Nigel will sort it.

The video of the bloke from the Green Party in Clacton was illuminating 

[Cheese]

30 minutes ago, Sweep said:

The way the current public mood seems to be, they only need the one policy, which is to stop the small boats. The average Reform voter isn't interested in any other detail/policy at present. 

They'll only start caring when he properly fucks them over, like Trump has done to his base. It's going to be hilarious.

[Not in Crawley]

23 minutes ago, Sweep said:

The way the current public mood seems to be, they only need the one policy, which is to stop the small boats. The average Reform voter isn't interested in any other detail/policy at present. 

 

And when you say, ok say tomorrow we'll have no small boats coming over, how is that going to improve your life, your food bills, the educational opportunities for your children, your mortgage. 

Its a perceived placebo for so many other issues. That isnt being dismissive of the issue, its that there are other issues to be sorted to help the people of this country first.

Personally, Id like housing to be sorted - to start really building more affordable housing stock, more houses built for older people to move into in the areas they have lived all their lives to create more housing for families and higher education to be looked at so bright kids from working and middle class backgrounds arent being stopped achieving their potential due to unpayable debts so they can do what my generation did and move out of home at 19.

Stopping small boats doesnt solve these issues.

I also understand that these are my personal top social issues. There will be others.

 

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

They'll only start caring when he properly fucks them over, like Trump has done to his base. It's going to be hilarious.

Its not, its going to be really sad and, like brexit, another bit of self harm.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

And when you say, ok say tomorrow we'll have no small boats coming over, how is that going to improve your life, your food bills, the educational opportunities for your children, your mortgage. 

Its a perceived placebo for so many other issues. That isnt being dismissive of the issue, its that there are other issues to be sorted to help the people of this country first.

Personally, Id like housing to be sorted - to start really building more affordable housing stock, more houses built for older people to move into in the areas they have lived all their lives to create more housing for families and higher education to be looked at so bright kids from working and middle class backgrounds arent being stopped achieving their potential due to unpayable debts so they can do what my generation did and move out of home at 19.

Stopping small boats doesnt solve these issues.

I also understand that these are my personal top social issues. There will be others.

 

So what’s stopping them? 

[Zico]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

So what’s stopping them? 

small boats

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

The video of the bloke from the Green Party in Clacton was illuminating 

I know, simple questions and basic answers. Ive said this at my local party meetings, why arent the government making this case. People arent stupid, they will listen but giving the vacuum for Reform to dive into is just daft.

We aren't the US, we are overall a moderate country when it comes to politics - much more so than France or Spain. I'm frustrated that the Greens can make a coherent case than the Labour party at the moment.

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

So what’s stopping them? 

Blimey - are you asking for a manifesto or a post 😄

[royal white]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Blimey - are you asking for a manifesto or a post 😄

Wasn’t A lot of what you mentioned in their previous manifesto? If so why isn’t being delivered? 

[boltonboris]

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

Up there with “smash the gangs”

The world we live in. All soundbytes and bullshit. Campaigns built on "look at them dickheads, don't vote for them!"

We're not as bad as Mur'ca but we're getting there!

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It doesn't help that we now have "leadership debates" before general elections

As if any of the candidates are running for President

The ones were the very minor parties are included and there's about seven leaders there is farcical

[burnden]

 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, burnden said:

 

Good 

[Winchester White]

5 minutes ago, burnden said:

 

About fucking time.

Last time loads of folk were up in arms about loss of freedom, let's see this time.