May 14, 20188 yr Let’s be reailistic here we finished the season before 9 and 10 points behind the two other relegated sides. We were in an embargo. The club was in what looked like long term decline. The atmosphere around the club was horrible. Ongoing court cases over money. Ownership debates. The idea that not getting promoted would have been a failure based on wage bill is I am afraid bollocks. The highly paid prima donnas needed fucking off where we could and the others knocking into shape. No other club ever promoted whilst under an embargo. I get why people question Parky but to say the promotion was not an achievement is ignoring the bigger picture of how shit we were the season before. It was an achievement. But he jumped from Bradford to Bolton because he knew the team was miles better. It was. We were dreadful that season before but the argument is a bit null and void for me. Millwall were well behind us but turned it round. It happens. I'm not knocking what he has done but I feel he has taken us as far as he can. Some of the decisions are baffling.
May 14, 20188 yr With the bad run at the end of this season it obviously looked like relegation and the knives were out for Parky and Ken but that didn’t happen, thank god, so with hindsight we need to re-evaluate With so many players out of contract now Parky is the only manager who knows the true value to BWFC of these players, with money still in short supply we need to keep the better players for continuity and with any money available add some quality to these ‘core ‘ players Stability is required, give Parky the first half of the season and see if we are getting better
May 14, 20188 yr With the bad run at the end of this season it obviously looked like relegation and the knives were out for Parky and Ken but that didn’t happen, thank god, so with hindsight we need to re-evaluate With so many players out of contract now Parky is the only manager who knows the true value to BWFC of these players, with money still in short supply we need to keep the better players for continuity and with any money available add some quality to these ‘core ‘ players Stability is required, give Parky the first half of the season and see if we are getting better I’m of the same opinion surely he can’t do worse than this season not in the first 11 games he can’t.
May 14, 20188 yr My other take, well fantasy really is, BSA gets dumped at Everton, puts some money in, becomes Director of Football with Nolan manager and first signing Chungy! Back in Prem within two seasons!
May 14, 20188 yr See I don't we've over achevieved I expected us to come straight back up and I expected us to stay up I could accept losing to a team of better players but that wasn't quite the case in the opening 11 and last 8 games That was about a team turning out seemingly ill prepared with no spirit or fight That's down to the manager imo See I think that is crazy. We went down on 30 points last time. Since then we've lost of note, Spearing, Mark Davies, Holding, Ream, Madine (latterly), Clough (until latterly). And not spent a single penny on new players. To me a team that goes down bottom, loses those sorts of players (over 15M in value) and doesn't spend anything, does well to come back up. But staying up in that scenario is a significant and likely unexpected achievement. Especially when factoring in Wigan storming league one then coming straight back down the year before.
May 14, 20188 yr Good God, don't say that name. WWers of old know what inevitably happens next.... Did I ever tell you lads my Con Boutsianos story? No? Well, it goes like this. One warm and sultry night in Bull Creek, Perth and nothing stirred. Only the odd warble of a cricket or humming of a cicada could be heard when the silence was suddenly broken by a telephone call from the nerve centre of a successful Bolton Wanderers operation - the Managers office. In a semi dazed and semi erect state, I stumbled to the phone and said "Who the fuck is this at 2-30 in the fucking morning?" Certain that I could hear the ultra violet hum of a tanning studio in the background, a North Eastern accented voice said, "It's Phil Brown, assistant manager of Bolton Wanderers". Convinced that one of the scooter club was having a laugh at my expense, my retort was "Fuck off, which one of you cunts is winding me up at this time of the fucking morning". Episode 2 of 128 will feature in tomorrows WWays despatches
May 14, 20188 yr See Wheater today describes Parky as the "best manager he's played under" and wants the club to give him some money to spend. Obviously had a huge falling out....
May 14, 20188 yr See Wheater today describes Parky as the "best manager he's played under" and wants the club to give him some money to spend. Obviously had a huge falling out.... Inexplicably frozen out
May 14, 20188 yr “I really love Parky, me”, said Dave, as his head sunk into a doner meat pillow and his eyes closed for the first time in a week.
May 14, 20188 yr See Wheater today describes Parky as the "best manager he's played under" and wants the club to give him some money to spend. Obviously had a huge falling out.... still on lash when he said this
May 14, 20188 yr See I think that is crazy. We went down on 30 points last time. Since then we've lost of note, Spearing, Mark Davies, Holding, Ream, Madine (latterly), Clough (until latterly). And not spent a single penny on new players. To me a team that goes down bottom, loses those sorts of players (over 15M in value) and doesn't spend anything, does well to come back up. But staying up in that scenario is a significant and likely unexpected achievement. Especially when factoring in Wigan storming league one then coming straight back down the year before. but we did stay up, so am happy and I'm not saying PP out unless we start the next season generally as we finished it think that's fair enough but if you think that's crazy, then how long do you think we give him if we are performing "shitely"? there comes a point where you think it's not just down to money and embargos and stuff, that point for me was Brum and Burton, but he managed to save the season, and his job
May 14, 20188 yr but we did stay up, so am happy and I'm not saying PP out unless we start the next season generally as we finished it think that's fair enough but if you think that's crazy, then how long do you think we give him if we are performing "shitely"? there comes a point where you think it's not just down to money and embargos and stuff, that point for me was Brum and Burton, but he managed to save the season, and his job I only think the bit where you "expected to stay up" was crazy. As in, holding that view seems an unrealistic expectation, given the available data, both at the time and now. Staying up was harder than going up. I mean sure there are games where he got it wrong. But that happens at every level. See Guardiola in the champs league at Liverpool. Mourinho against Brighton etc etc.... I think giving him some money and a reasonable number of games next season is fair and certainly we cannot afford to start as badly as last season. But I like managers who find a way to get the job done, somehow. And Parky seems to be one of those types. Given he's produced two successful seasons come the end result and we've not had that for a long time I'm happy for him to continue.
May 14, 20188 yr “I really love Parky, me”, said Dave, as his head sunk into a doner meat pillow and his eyes closed for the first time in a week. full quote "I really love Parky, me, he lets us play up front for the last 10 minutes every week"
May 14, 20188 yr He maybe the best manager he’s worked with Or he obviously loves the club and wants another contract
May 14, 20188 yr My other take, well fantasy really is, BSA gets dumped at Everton, puts some money in, becomes Director of Football with Nolan manager and first signing Chungy! Back in Prem within two seasons! I'm hoping to time travel back to the 1960's & be given the opportunity to interfere with The Ronnettes.
May 14, 20188 yr I'm hoping to time travel back to the 1960's & be given the opportunity to interfere with The Ronnettes. what a spectre that presents.
May 14, 20188 yr I only think the bit where you "expected to stay up" was crazy. As in, holding that view seems an unrealistic expectation, given the available data, both at the time and now. Staying up was harder than going up. I mean sure there are games where he got it wrong. But that happens at every level. See Guardiola in the champs league at Liverpool. Mourinho against Brighton etc etc.... I think giving him some money and a reasonable number of games next season is fair and certainly we cannot afford to start as badly as last season. But I like managers who find a way to get the job done, somehow. And Parky seems to be one of those types. Given he's produced two successful seasons come the end result and we've not had that for a long time I'm happy for him to continue. Needing 4 points from 8 games I think everyone expected us to stay up?
May 14, 20188 yr Needing 4 points from 8 games I think everyone expected us to stay up? But with 8 games to go we needed many more points to be sure of safety. No one would have settled for 43 at that time as it presented a real danger of relegation. With 2 games to go it was a different matter.
May 14, 20188 yr Needing 4 points from 8 games I think everyone expected us to stay up? Its like saying we were third in January and then had a poor second half of the season only making the UEFA cup on the last day thanks to Reading ballsing up and blaming that on Allardyce. You have to take into account the expectations and the resources available to match those expectations. The very public target from the outset was 4th bottom. We got there by the skin of our teeth with ups and downs, but then we got there. Was 4th bottom an easily achieveable target?
May 14, 20188 yr But with 8 games to go we needed many more points to be sure of safety. No one would have settled for 43 at that time as it presented a real danger of relegation. With 2 games to go it was a different matter.If we had beat Brum or Barnsley the last 2 games wouldn't of mattered.
May 14, 20188 yr Let’s forget targets expectations The guy made some stupid moves throughout the season which nearly cost us Even the bloody chairman had to come out and assure fans we would go for it against forest
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