mickbrown Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 He was poor yesterday. And the worse he played, the better Williams looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Let’s have it right, he was nowhere near the worst player on the pitch, but some will excuse anything he does because of the odd flash. then when he’s criticised a bit, they have you out to be calling him awful, despite praising some of his work its like Madine all over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, jules_darby said: Let’s have it right, he was nowhere near the worst player on the pitch, but some will excuse anything he does because of the odd flash. then when he’s criticised a bit, they have you out to be calling him awful, despite praising some of his work its like Madine all over again He’s nowhere near excusable from a poor performance I guess my frustration with the criticism of him is part of the bigger picture. If he’s been poor in a certain game then fine but we’re nowhere near from Getting the best out of him through minimal fault of his own and maximum fault in terms of how we set up. Same old story I’m afraid. PP has come out and said he wants us to play better football whilst retaining that work rate, discipline etc which is all well and good. But apart from glimpses of it I don’t see much of a change at all. added to that our clear approach recently of sitting off teams, keeping it tight until HT then trying to play for 45 minutes and it’s beginning to feel like Groundhog Day yet again its ok bringing these better footballers in but they’re absolutely pointless if the changes we are making are minimal and not utilising that apparent extra ability Ken’s constantly on about increasing crowds, the 12 thousand hardy souls who are there every other week are slowly but surely drifting away. Focus on getting them entertained and watching something a bit more positive than worrying about the no shows. Playing decent football and getting decent results puts bums on seats. Nothing more nothing less. All the positivity of the new signings and great start to the season is in danger of being eroded pretty quickly due to our 1 track approach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Crowds will dwindle for sure after the latest instalment next potential big gate is Wigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: He’s nowhere near excusable from a poor performance I guess my frustration with the criticism of him is part of the bigger picture. If he’s been poor in a certain game then fine but we’re nowhere near from Getting the best out of him through minimal fault of his own and maximum fault in terms of how we set up. Same old story I’m afraid. PP has come out and said he wants us to play better football whilst retaining that work rate, discipline etc which is all well and good. But apart from glimpses of it I don’t see much of a change at all. added to that our clear approach recently of sitting off teams, keeping it tight until HT then trying to play for 45 minutes and it’s beginning to feel like Groundhog Day yet again its ok bringing these better footballers in but they’re absolutely pointless if the changes we are making are minimal and not utilising that apparent extra ability Ken’s constantly on about increasing crowds, the 12 thousand hardy souls who are there every other week are slowly but surely drifting away. Focus on getting them entertained and watching something a bit more positive than worrying about the no shows. Playing decent football and getting decent results puts bums on seats. Nothing more nothing less. All the positivity of the new signings and great start to the season is in danger of being eroded pretty quickly due to our 1 track approach Correctamundo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 22 hours ago, Casino said: We did That goal was gifted to them I felt we had much more ball than them, more chances and had the ball in their box much more than them in ours Did our keeper make more than the one save? How was that goal gifted to them? If Ameobi skips past his man, puts a good cross in then Oztumer dinks a clever pass over a defender to an attacking midfielder (I can't think of an equivalent for us) who hits a shot the keeper has to save (remember those?), McGennis blasts a shot that is blocked, and our 2nd striker ( ALF once upon a time) snaps it up. I would be screaming What A Goal. Great goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 3 hours ago, jules_darby said: He played the wrong ball and/or executed it badly Bollocks to being scared of doing it again cos a few idiots moaned, he’s a pro footballer - it’s his job. Excuses for them every time I normally agree with BC but this time I’m with Fan5. And if Ameobi comes back and Dyer turns it on Oz won’t come into his own because he won’t be on the pitch amd we played it out from the back more yesterday than I can remember so I’m not having it that he was bypassed - that’s just utter rubbish. Had Beevers been on them maybe..... I think you contradict yourself there a bit bit Jules. As bad as you think he was yesterday, especially on the ball, he is a big part of why we played it out from the back more than ever yesterday (along with Hobbs and Williams), which I’m presuming you’ll agree is a positive thing. He is always moving, always trying to find space, always making an angle for a pass - swap him with Vela, who just hasn’t got the same positional sense and we wouldn’t have been able to play anywhere near as much football. He didn’t execute when he got the ball yesterday, but we’re not going to get the finished article for free off Walsall. For me, his confidence is growing, Parky is showing a lot of trust in him (he’s subbing everyone but him to try and change things) and if we play him for the majority of the season I think he’ll get better and better. Also, stick him next to Ameobi and he’ll have more options that he can link with. I don’t think anyone is excusing him from any negative points, he didn’t play well yesterday and wasted the ball quite a lot. However, comments like “he’s a shit Mark Davies and Mark Davies was not very good” is just bollocks. He’s getting used to a new team and a new league, and he’s showing enough for me to give him time to get up to his best without writing him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Eddie said: I think you contradict yourself there a bit bit Jules. As bad as you think he was yesterday, especially on the ball, he is a big part of why we played it out from the back more than ever yesterday (along with Hobbs and Williams), which I’m presuming you’ll agree is a positive thing. He is always moving, always trying to find space, always making an angle for a pass - swap him with Vela, who just hasn’t got the same positional sense and we wouldn’t have been able to play anywhere near as much football. He didn’t execute when he got the ball yesterday, but we’re not going to get the finished article for free off Walsall. For me, his confidence is growing, Parky is showing a lot of trust in him (he’s subbing everyone but him to try and change things) and if we play him for the majority of the season I think he’ll get better and better. Also, stick him next to Ameobi and he’ll have more options that he can link with. I don’t think anyone is excusing him from any negative points, he didn’t play well yesterday and wasted the ball quite a lot. However, comments like “he’s a shit Mark Davies and Mark Davies was not very good” is just bollocks. He’s getting used to a new team and a new league, and he’s showing enough for me to give him time to get up to his best without writing him off. I don’t think there’s a contradiction in my post at all nor do I deny that he came short for it a lot howvwer, I don’t think that it was effective as when he did it left Magennis isolated, which is where it often broke down. I think that us playing out from the back is about trust in the CM’s but also about Beevers not playing. i also don’t agree with the quote in your post about Mark Davies, so please don’t attribute that to me and again in true WW fashion, you’ve assumed I said he was terrible yesterday, I didn’t. He wasn’t great for me, and I don’t think we can rely on him to open up defences as I’m not sure he’s good enough - the context to that being with who's around him, the division we are in and the standard of opposition. that doesn't make him bad footbller in isolation. he was just the topic of conversation. if we are going to individualise, Noone, Wildschut and Grounds were all much worse for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 23 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: I ageee Lots of positives today should never of lost, downsides were Grounds who is clearly not up to speed and if wildschuts a footballer I’m the pope. £7mil for him looks like Warnock got Madine on the cheap. I only saw him for 10 minutes at WBA during which time he scored the winner but my immediate thought was 'that guy is off the pace'. Would love to have Morais back, looking at the 15 crap crosses last night makes me realise how we took his delivery for granted and dismissed him as a Div 1 player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 22 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: Best we’ve played? Not even close. What it shows is that just throwing players forward doesn’t guarantee a result. We played better against Derby. Because we had a plan to beat them. Today we dominated but had no quality to unlock their defence. We played 'well' against Derby because we were the lucky ones to score the early goal while we saved their early efforts, so we didn't have any pressure to attack. The opposite yesterday as with all our many 1 nil wins in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Annoying tit Edited October 7, 2018 by radcliffe white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 22 hours ago, Biggish Dave said: When did we last have a decent L.B apart from Candela. Whitlow or Burke maybe? Been ages This has always been an irritation of mine. Even the 3 you mentioned plus Alonso scream out 'too slow'. I've been going for 40 years and i'm yet to see a full back beat a man and put a decent cross in! Yet on the other side Little and Olkowski have scored and assisted superbly in no time since joining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 22 hours ago, Casino said: None of them were a patch on Gardner You need to stop drinking Well said, I forgot about him, loved him. OK when was our last decent left back that wasn't playing out of position? So that rules out Pederson and Campo. We paid a fortune for Robbie Elliott and could see straight away why Newcastle sold him, much as he was a trier like Whitlow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: Well said, I forgot about him, loved him. OK when was our last decent left back that wasn't playing out of position? So that rules out Pederson and Campo. We paid a fortune for Robbie Elliott and could see straight away why Newcastle sold him, much as he was a trier like Whitlow. Except Newcastle didn’t want to sell Elliott unfortunately he never recovered mentally from the leg break Edited October 7, 2018 by jules_darby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 21 hours ago, Alf Hartigan said: Harsh on the amount of games he's had. Don't think anyone's been wanking over him yet, just recognised his talent, let's give him some more games We put up with the p ratleys, velas and trotters year after year, then if we show some enthusiasm at signing a player who can take the ball in tight areas, control a 40 yard sky high pass better than most can control a throw in, and has a track record of assists and quality goals, we are accused of over egging it. Yes he's our best (first?) attacking midfielder since Mark Davies and along with Ameobi gives me something to look forward to watching on a Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 13 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: He’s not shit, he’s just nowhere near the player some make him out to be. Has to do far more in terms of producing and scoring goals than he has so far to justify playing where he is. Behind the striker. He’s not close to being someone you’d build a team around right now and he’s getting lots of the ball in space and doing nothing of note with it. I don’t think he’d start for many if any other championship sides on his current form. Name 1 other midfielder or attacker in the the last 4 years that would start for another championship team. OK name 2, Ameobi is 1. Oz just happens to be a huge improvement on our last 4 years, nobody is saying Leeds, Derby or Boro would be picking him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 hours ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Crowds will dwindle for sure after the latest instalment next potential big gate is Wigan But it will be category A so therefore no potential for a big crowd. It probably just means a bigger percentage of season ticket holders will turn up, unless it's on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said: But it will be category A so therefore no potential for a big crowd. It probably just means a bigger percentage of season ticket holders will turn up, unless it's on TV. Be a Bigger crowd than Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Just now, radcliffewhite1 said: Be a Bigger crowd than Saturday Because of TV and Wigan will bring more. 16k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 16-17k ganes before won’t capture many hull Swansea forest half term suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/16966875.big-match-verdict-bolton-wanderers-0-blackburn-rovers-1/ marc iles view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRiddle Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 That report is fair enough. Never understand the vitriol aimed at Illes, he is not right all the time, but who would be writing multiple articles a week. I like the fact he isn't vanilla and gives the club, manager, players a bit of shit when they deserve it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, gonzo said: https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/16966875.big-match-verdict-bolton-wanderers-0-blackburn-rovers-1/ marc iles view Where’s that heat map edit: our 2nd striker Edited October 8, 2018 by barrycowdrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo gambaro Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 16 hours ago, ex_midlandwhite said: Is that important? We wanted Robinson and the alternatives are significantly worse in my opinion. He was a bad one to miss out on. Not really important, but it looked like he got bummed. I haven’t lost any sleep over missing out on him. I always liked his endeavour but it papered over his lack of ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Iles is just full on feeding the twitter idiots now. Just essentially writing whatever they want to hear. See his tweets this morning about "reporting the winding up order" because you can't take Ken's words for granted that it will be paid this week. In other words directly calling Ken a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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