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[Escobarp]

Just now, Casino said:

The full safety later on was absolutely the wrong time for hamilton

Coule of seconds later wouldve been the call if owt untoward was going on

Race was over by then. Like I said he would have won the race anyway and merc winning the constructors championship is good for me personally. Free publicity. 
 

but it doesn’t make it right what happened. 

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Race was over by then. Like I said he would have won the race anyway and merc winning the constructors championship is good for me personally. Free publicity. 
 

but it doesn’t make it right what happened. 

I’ve rewatched that time that the VSC was deployed. I genuinely don’t understand what the issue might have been? Not being blinkered here pal. I also haven’t seen or heard any controversy about it. Happy to be enlightened

[Rudy]

VSC or not Bottas was on older tyres than Lewis, he would have caught him 

[Escobarp]

14 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

I’ve rewatched that time that the VSC was deployed. I genuinely don’t understand what the issue might have been? Not being blinkered here pal. I also haven’t seen or heard any controversy about it. Happy to be enlightened

VSC was deployed for , I believe 27 seconds, this started as Lewis approached the pit lane. This then slowed bottles and verstappen Down as per the rules. The VSC was switched off as Lewis exited the pit lane 27 seconds later. 27 seconds for a virtual safety car? The reason the VSC was pit was a prone car  at the time the VSC was switched off the car lay in the same position hadn’t moved  

 

Hamilton would have come out a second in front had the vsc not been deployed  for 27 seconds. It should have been on for a lap Minimum to neutralise any unfair gain 

 

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Rudy said:

VSC or not Bottas was on older tyres than Lewis, he would have caught him 

Forget the tyres. Bottas has a damaged floor. So was never going to win the race. he didn’t have sufficient pace to do so. 
 

the fact remains there was an unfair advantage given to a single driver. Not one other driver benefited. It’s the shortest VSC there has ever been by some distance and served no purpose. Leave it on til the car is removed or don’t put it on. It was bent. 
 

[Rudy]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Forget the tyres. Bottas has a damaged floor. So was never going to win the race. he didn’t have sufficient pace to do so. 
 

the fact remains there was an unfair advantage given to a single driver. Not one other driver benefited. It’s the shortest VSC there has ever been by some distance and served no purpose. Leave it on til the car is removed or don’t put it on. It was bent. 
 

What would they gain from it?

Merc would have won the championship, Lewis will no doubt win it in Turkey. What did they have to gain?

 

[MancWanderer]

OK. Points taken. I don’t believe it’s bent by the way but here’s my understanding and am more than happy to be corrected

Full Safety Car - serious issue that needs a lot of time to resolve. Deployed until issue is cleared and comes in at end of a lap

Virtual Safety Car - like yellow flags but more serious. Summat’s happened that is serious at a certain point on the track and needs more than simply lifting off past the scene. Race director keeps an eye on it, as soon as he thinks it’s clear then the VSC is lifted. Could be 30 secs, could be 30 laps. Like the yellow flags it’s kept to a minimum to keep the race going?

Edit: Hamilton just got lucky by virtue of track position. Nowt else

Edited November 1, 2020 by MancWanderer

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, MancWanderer said:

OK. Points taken. I don’t believe it’s bent by the way but here’s my understanding and am more than happy to be corrected

Full Safety Car - serious issue that needs a lot of time to resolve. Deployed until issue is cleared and comes in at end of a lap

Virtual Safety Car - like yellow flags but more serious. Summat’s happened that is serious at a certain point on the track and needs more than simply lifting off past the scene. Race director keeps an eye on it, as soon as he thinks it’s clear then the VSC is lifted. Could be 30 secs, could be 30 laps. Like the yellow flags it’s kept to a minimum to keep the race going?

Correct. So the reason the VSC was deployed was a car that had broken down. Car sat there for 40 seconds no VSC. Then VSC deployed. When the VSC was taken off the car was sat in the same position. Nothing has changed. 

[Casino]

a full lap vsc would have favoured hamilton more

As it was he was, what, 3 or 4 seconds clear on exit

Longer vsc, gives him 9 or 10 seconds

No vsc, 1 or 2 seconds

[Escobarp]

And that then gives other drivers further down the pack the chance to take advantage of it. Rather than just one single driver. It’s gives an unfair advantage. Anyway it is what it is and the right driver won.  But I’m sure it won’t happen again like that. 

[Winchester White]

Some qualifying session that! Love it when it rains.

[Rudy]

Did not expect that 

[Escobarp]

Hamilton was penalized by the stewards for using his indicators  when there was nobody around him when pulling out of the pit lane. 

[MancWanderer]

4 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Some qualifying session that! Love it when it rains.

Yep. Love it when the grid is shaken up like that

Cant call it for tomorrow other than Mercedes out of the top 3 and I would love to see Max or a Racing Point or a usual midfielder winning it

If it’s wet I predict utter carnage in the first few corners and race full of red flags

[Rudy]

2 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Yep. Love it when the grid is shaken up like that

Cant call it for tomorrow other than Mercedes out of the top 3 and I would love to see Max or a Racing Point or a usual midfielder winning it

If it’s wet I predict utter carnage in the first few corners and race full of red flags

Someone On here said reversing the finishing grid for the next race would change it up, however I’d still be confident Lewis in That Merc could still make the podium if he started at the back of the grid 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Rudy said:

Someone On here said reversing the finishing grid for the next race would change it up, however I’d still be confident Lewis in That Merc could still make the podium if he started at the back of the grid 

On a normal track with normal conditions 100% the car is that much more superior than 90% of the field. Same with Red Bull though 

 

verstappen wins tomorrow regardless of weather. And easily 

[Spider]

The track is an ice rink.

I can see Max winning.

Hamilton will do enough to make it 7 titles

[Rudy]

27 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

On a normal track with normal conditions 100% the car is that much more superior than 90% of the field. Same with Red Bull though 

 

verstappen wins tomorrow regardless of weather. And easily 

Regardless of weather? Max can be wild, in these conditions, it could be a low count finish 

[Escobarp]

17 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Regardless of weather? Max can be wild, in these conditions, it could be a low count finish 

I just think the Red Bull is the best car in the wet and I think whilst max is liable to be reckless he doesn’t need to be tomorrow. Steady away and he wins at a canter for me 

[MancWanderer]

The track is the clincher here, wet or dry, and the Merc doesn’t like it, so I’m with Esco on this one with Max winning if I was pushed for a prediction. That said I can so easily see tomorrow ending with a very strange finishing order. Busy day tomorrow so keeping away from all forms of media til I can watch a recording late afternoon

[Winchester White]

Early start, 10.10 tomorrow. Hope for rain.

Max to win easily for me, with Lewis getting onto the podium. However if it rains then who knows as safety car(s) and even red flags could really skew it.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Not seen or hear anything much about it today.

One thing I do know, is that Hamilton is arguably the best wet weather driver about.

Gives him a decent chance, even if his car isn't the best in those conditions. 

He's also got the experience now to see the bigger picture and not to get embroiled in something he doesn't need to.

Union Jack to be flying one way or the other tomorrow. 

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not seen or hear anything much about it today.

One thing I do know, is that Hamilton is arguably the best wet weather driver about.

Gives him a decent chance, even if his car isn't the best in those conditions. 

He's also got the experience now to see the bigger picture and not to get embroiled in something he doesn't need to.

Union Jack to be flying one way or the other tomorrow. 

Best drivers in the wet are on P1, P2 and P6 so I really hope for rain intermittently to make it really interesting.

Look for Kimi today, on the back straight he lost it in a straight line, corrected and carried on. They really can drive these nutters.

[Winchester White]

 

Here it is

[Escobarp]

This is going to be carnage. These cars ain’t built for this. It’s why the season occupies  the same months year in year out this. 
 

someone could get killed here!