Are in Manchester today

Might pop down at lunchtime 

Wonder if they’ll take their plastic bottles home with them?

On 02/09/2019 at 15:19, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I'd also add there are a large number of folk itching to be less impacting upon the environment; we need a movement that more fits our needs rather than antagonises. You said yourself the biggest civil disobedience movement: folk don't want that, rather be part of a civilized movement.

Get it more mainstream, part of everyday life and at the centre of economic activity and presto, you're onto a winner.

 

I actually read that because I thought little whit had posted it.

Jesus.

I quoted the wrong thing.  Oops.

 

Edited September 20, 20196 yr by blackleywhite

5 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

On that note, here’s an amusing take on it

 

 

And what has that bloke ever done?

This lass on the other hand, in a year.......

 

When I was working I loomed for the long school holidays so my journey to and from work was relatively traffic free. I wanted the government to do something scout it such as having two road tax models; one for commuters and one for non commuters.

I also wanted an end to the 9-5 working day, with start and finish times throughout the day.

All of this would also have Ann impact oon the amount of carbon pumped into the air with little distance being covered.

Every little helps.

18 hours ago, Spider said:

You need to read Stark by Ben Elton if you haven't already P

It's set in Perth, funny as fuck and was written 20 odd years ago.

Old Benny predicted a lot of what we are seeing now.

Regardless, it's just dead funny. And rips the piss out of Aussies

Cheers pal - I must have missed that. I'll certainly look it up,

7 hours ago, mickbrown said:

And what has that bloke ever done?

This lass on the other hand, in a year.......

 

Does it need school kids to go on strike during school time to back her?

19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Does it need school kids to go on strike during school time to back her?

Will parents not be fined for kids bunking off?

Thing is life on this planet hasn’t really got long left in the grand scheme of things. If we don’t kill it ourselves something else will.

May as well get balls deep whilst we can fuck it. Send the diggers in and burn everything we can. 

10 hours ago, mickbrown said:

And what has that bloke ever done?

This lass on the other hand, in a year.......

 

Think Greta would be better off with a good mate and a bike or a dog, have a laugh get an ice cream, skip, this job is  too big for her. I fear for her wellbeing

18 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

I fear for her wellbeing

And she fears for yours. 

I'm just glad we've got some altruistic people left in the world - as opposed to a bunch of cynics.

16 minutes ago, kent_white said:

And she fears for yours. 

I'm just glad we've got some altruistic people left in the world - as opposed to a bunch of cynics.

I've no issue with her and her quest.

It's those bandwagon jumpers and political activist types. The article read out on that link made a very valid point (and no, it didn't blame the kids), we are all responsible to some degree, so perhaps a bit of educated introspection wouldn't go amiss. Adults and kids alike.

Folk in the UK buy more new clothes than anywhere in Europe we were recently told. There's a thread about investment trainers!

Sure have their protests, maybe after school or at weekend/holidays, but perhaps have a look at their own lifestyles first.

 

It's one days schooling ffs 

The protests have dominated world news

Awareness is almost certainly increased so one day out of school might just play it's part in changing things

Edited September 21, 20196 yr by Casino

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I've no issue with her and her quest.

It's those bandwagon jumpers and political activist types. The article read out on that link made a very valid point (and no, it didn't blame the kids), we are all responsible to some degree, so perhaps a bit of educated introspection wouldn't go amiss. Adults and kids alike.

Folk in the UK buy more new clothes than anywhere in Europe we were recently told. There's a thread about investment trainers!

Sure have their protests, maybe after school or at weekend/holidays, but perhaps have a look at their own lifestyles first.

 

These are kids. And thankfully - they understand the gravity of the crisis more than most adults do.

I'm sure at 10 or 12 or whatever age they are, they aren't going to be doing a huge amount of introspection regarding their carbon footprints. But at least they might be thinking about it first and foremost as they grow up into leaders. They're the best hope we've got - our generation has fucked it up in such a way that we'll probably be reviled in human history.

And those that got dragged along will have learned a more valuable lesson in a couple of hours than in a full term at school.

That dickhead Aussie can fuck right off. The cynical old cunt.

And as far as political activists and bandwagon jumpers go. Who gives a fuck? It's a bandwagon anybody with half a brain and the ability to think creatively should have jumped on years ago. I couldn't care less whether the solution comes from communist China or from free market capitalism. Nature doesn't give a shit about your political persuasion.

There were probably fuckers on Venus arguing about bullshit like this a couple of billion years ago before runaway climate change took over and left it uninhabitable.

Highlighting the problem is fine I don’t have a problem with that. Doing something about it is the difficult part. Everyone wants someone else to sort it out. The decisions that will have to be made will not be popular. To be effective it has to be for globally and I just don’t see that happening.

Money and greed will overrule everything.

 

 

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Money and greed will overrule everything.

 

 

Then make money and greed part of the answer. 

Three hundred thousand out on the streets in Sydney. Hundreds of thousands in Melbourne. Incredible stuff.

I think the cycnical old Aussie video is brilliant. It shows us he's losing, because when they 've nothing left to argue they revert to stereotypes and name calling. Directed at kids! What a brave geeza. It doesn't take a genius to realise that those children on the streets are actually campaigning for us to limit and stop everything he took the piss out of them for in the video. But let him have his rant in the name of humour.  

We all use fossil fuels, in everything we do, it's a world built on fossil fuels. Climate justice protests are about the urgency of transitioning from that. Blaming them for existing in a fossil fuel society seems pretty lame to me.

And there is another shite argument that's circulating. It's the "well China is worse than us" and "until Brazil and India change then everything we do is pointless". Really? If that's something you believe then maybe try having a walk around your house. Look at where your tech is made, look at where your clothes are made, look at where most of your food comes from. All those things use vast amounts of fossil fuels. If you think the country that imports it all is not just as responsible as the country that makes it, then you're living on cloud cuckoo land. The UK is clearly not "way ahead of the game". 

A green new deal would provide hundreds of thousands of jobs for people in this country to produce energy, food, technology and clothing locally. Which would in turn have a massive impact on reducing the emissions produced by countries like China. 

Apologies to Bolty personally in advance for writing another essay, I did try my best to limit this one. 

Edited September 21, 20196 yr by London Wanderer

1 hour ago, Casino said:

It's one days schooling ffs 

The protests have dominated world news

Awareness is almost certainly increased so one day out of school might just play it's part in changing things

And the people saying they should be in school are generally the same people telling them they should ignore 99% of climate scientists. 

Edited September 21, 20196 yr by Cheese

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

 

That dickhead Aussie can fuck right off. The cynical old cunt.

 

Do not refer to me as an Aussie.

18 minutes ago, Cheese said:

And the people saying they should be in school are generally the same people telling them they should ignore 99% of climate scientists. 

Get that in a meme 

51 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Three hundred thousand out on the streets in Sydney. Hundreds of thousands in Melbourne. Incredible stuff.

I think the cycnical old Aussie video is brilliant. It shows us he's losing, because when they 've nothing left to argue they revert to stereotypes and name calling. Directed at kids! What a brave geeza. It doesn't take a genius to realise that those children on the streets are actually campaigning for us to limit and stop everything he took the piss out of them for in the video. But let him have his rant in the name of humour.  

We all use fossil fuels, in everything we do, it's a world built on fossil fuels. Climate justice protests are about the urgency of transitioning from that. Blaming them for existing in a fossil fuel society seems pretty lame to me.

And there is another shite argument that's circulating. It's the "well China is worse than us" and "until Brazil and India change then everything we do is pointless". Really? If that's something you believe then maybe try having a walk around your house. Look at where your tech is made, look at where your clothes are made, look at where most of your food comes from. All those things use vast amounts of fossil fuels. If you think the country that imports it all is not just as responsible as the country that makes it, then you're living on cloud cuckoo land. The UK is clearly not "way ahead of the game". 

A green new deal would provide hundreds of thousands of jobs for people in this country to produce energy, food, technology and clothing locally. Which would in turn have a massive impact on reducing the emissions produced by countries like China. 

Apologies to Bolty personally in advance for writing another essay, I did try my best to limit this one. 

 Apology accepted. Now then, where can I book a good baton charge followed by water cannon and a Taser finish?

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

Do not refer to me as an Aussie.

On a serious note - have you noticed any real change in the climate around you? You're very much at the sharp end in WA

Just now, kent_white said:

On a serious note - have you noticed any real change in the climate around you? You're very much at the sharp end in WA

Really? No noticeable change. Winter may have stuck around a week or two longer - not sure. Other than that - no, honestly.

3 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Really? No noticeable change. Winter may have stuck around a week or two longer - not sure. Other than that - no, honestly.

I'm surprised by that. There seems to be regular stories about wildfires and droughts in Oz - but I suppose that's something you just get used to. And Oz has the infrastructure to cope with it to an extent. I feel like England has become a lot more unpredictable in recent years.

Although it's hard to tell whether that's actually the case or if it's confirmation bias on my part. 

Maybe that's it - until it really starts impacting on places like Perth and Bolton - most people will just be a bit 'meh' about it. The problem is it'll probably be a bit too late to do anything by then.

We can't just give up though can we?

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Then make money and greed part of the answer. 

Nah, their manifesto specifically rules out market solutions as unacceptable.

The final intent is right - unfortunately it's been hijacked by nutters who are actually more interested in left wing outcomes than climate outcomes.

3 minutes ago, maaarsh said:

Nah, their manifesto specifically rules out market solutions as unacceptable.

The final intent is right - unfortunately it's been hijacked by nutters who are actually more interested in left wing outcomes than climate outcomes.

I'll work with anybody who's final intent is right. Politics is secondary.

I had a look at their manifesto the other day and can't remember reading anything along those lines? I know one of their founders recently released a book that expanded on his original ideas. Is it in that?