Guest Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 37 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: In what way does it help anyone? Manc to London in two hours is perfectly acceptable At £100bn I'd have great respect for BJ if he scrapped it and found another way to spend it so you could call us a northern power house Or just spent it on something else Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 22, 2020 Moderators Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: As for MPs up here not wanting hs2- maybe that's because they are best placed to assess what is really needed and how best to spend the money. maybe they shouldve given it some thought before they were elected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, Casino said: maybe they shouldve given it some thought before they were elected Maybe it's part of the reason they were elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 Northern gone. Changes over in march. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Northern gone. Changes over in march. The thing is nothing will change. All the staff will TUPE over but it won't stop trains being cancelled at the last minute, staff shortages of staff being in the wrong place or drivers not trained to drive a certain type of train. It needs a massive influx of staff and rolling stock to make it a half decent rail service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, freds dad said: The thing is nothing will change. All the staff will TUPE over but it won't stop trains being cancelled at the last minute, staff shortages of staff being in the wrong place or drivers not trained to drive a certain type of train. It needs a massive influx of staff and rolling stock to make it a half decent rail service. It’s the right call, let’s see what the government throws at this problem. Johnson making plenty of good calls, let’s hope it continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, freds dad said: The thing is nothing will change. All the staff will TUPE over but it won't stop trains being cancelled at the last minute, staff shortages of staff being in the wrong place or drivers not trained to drive a certain type of train. It needs a massive influx of staff and rolling stock to make it a half decent rail service. Clearly there needs to be investment. I suppose it's performance needs to be compared to that of other operators in the area. Some issues beyond their control, but it's their responsibility to get drivers adequately trained etc. Something had to give; now it's time for the government to show what it's about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 A step in the right direction for sure. But will ToryTrains PLC be any better? Can't see Boris spending much on it. But if he sorts it, then fair bastard fucks to him I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Spider said: A step in the right direction for sure. But will ToryTrains PLC be any better? Can't see Boris spending much on it. But if he sorts it, then fair bastard fucks to him I say. Why don't you see them spending much? There have been issues with Railtrack and it's performance and that needs fixing, but the operation of the trains ought to be achievable in an effective and sustainable manner- other franchises seem to be doing ok. With the "northern powerhouse" still floating about and increasing news coverage of all the problems, they have to sort this shit out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Why don't you see them spending much? There have been issues with Railtrack and it's performance and that needs fixing, but the operation of the trains ought to be achievable in an effective and sustainable manner- other franchises seem to be doing ok. With the "northern powerhouse" still floating about and increasing news coverage of all the problems, they have to sort this shit out. Don't really trust them yet. More than happy to eat humble pie if they sort the rattlers out though. The infrastructure excuse is horseshit. How do all the other operators manage to run a decent service on the same tracks/stations? Arriva are just cunts and got it badly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Spider said: Don't really trust them yet. More than happy to eat humble pie if they sort the rattlers out though. The infrastructure excuse is horseshit. How do all the other operators manage to run a decent service on the same tracks/stations? Arriva are just cunts and got it badly wrong. There were some significant delays a while back by Railtrack. It stopped northern rolling out new timetable when it should have started. That bit isn't their fault. A statement just now from their parent company basically says "thank fuck we're rid". All that said, other companies seem to perform better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: There were some significant delays a while back by Railtrack. It stopped northern rolling out new timetable when it should have started. That bit isn't their fault. A statement just now from their parent company basically says "thank fuck we're rid". All that said, other companies seem to perform better. No doubt they've faced some challenges, but we all do. I still think they'd have stood half a chance just by buying a few more carriages and training some extra drivers. They were always cited as the chief problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Spider said: No doubt they've faced some challenges, but we all do. I still think they'd have stood half a chance just by buying a few more carriages and training some extra drivers. They were always cited as the chief problems. I agree. Can't hide all their failures behind some infrastructure issues. Sounds like PP hiding behind a shit situation. Time to see what tomorrow brings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I agree. Can't hide all their failures behind some infrastructure issues. Sounds like PP hiding behind a shit situation. Time to see what tomorrow brings. There's a nagging thing that Arriva were actually doing well to hold it together, even as shit as it was. Their relief at being given the elbow just might suggest they can see a shitstorm of epic proportions just round the corner. They've not exactly put up much of a fight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Need to nationalise TfGM; roads are not fit for purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) The fuck up with our local trains goes way beyond a rogue franchise holder It all started with the electrification works, that was a complete mess! Now that’s finished the trains they want to run don’t fit on the platforms ffs. Who fucked up there, wasn’t Northern Rail Ever since that timetable change a year or so ago it’s been a mess, it just wasn’t ready for that amount of upheaval and it’s still not now Add the fact that Manchester is at full capacity until HS2 and Northern Powerhouse rail gets sorted and it’s a complete disaster The only sensible way I can see through is a reduction in services, less trains but much better reliability. Northern wouldn’t have been able to make that call, DFT will now that it’s on them. Edited January 29, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 These trains that are longer than the platforms: can't passengers just board as normal and walk down a few carriages? I guess we'll see how much of this was northern's fault and how much beyond their control. Especially if a shit loads suddenly goes into infrastructure and they decide to seek damages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Northern are no worse than trans Pennine. The issue here is mainly down to Network rail, which is run by... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 29, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Traf said: Northern are no worse than trans Pennine. The issue here is mainly down to Network rail, which is run by... Is that from personal experience? I don't use the trains so have no idea. Network rail (is that their name now) certainly behind where they need to be, but that doesn't explain a shortage of drivers etc. I'm beginning to wonder if northern deliberately held back on investment in the right areas as they were being fucked over by poor infrastructure work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Good riddance to those feckless clowns. They've been getting away with murder for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.